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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg this is going to

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be a special time we have a special

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guest joining us on this year-end

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episode with our cast he's the guy from

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dark matters radio a very frequent and

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honored presses on the podcast community

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forums the one the only done Eckerd on

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welcome back to the show well gene thank

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you very much for the invitation it's a

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great pleasure to be here

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meantime we have a lot of ground to

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cover obviously there are questions from

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our audience posted in the para cast

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community forums and also lots of things

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happening in 2012 of course some of

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those things that happen in the field

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were not always so pleasant but we'll

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get to them and looking for the

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projections in the paranormal field for

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2013 now the one thing I want to ask

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before we go on here you've had a

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love-hate relationship with the UFO

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field and this is a question also from

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our forums and that is Don Ecker why do

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you stick with it why do you still

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participate why do you still do radio

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shows etc etc well the radio show as

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I've often stated is doing doing radio

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is is a love of mine and I am not simply

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geared toward the UFO topic on the radio

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actually dark matters radio it gives me

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an opportunity to explore just about

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anything gene that strikes my fancy for

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example very recently we did a program

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on the 2012 film industry on movies what

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were the best movies what were the in

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you know our opinions what was the worst

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what kind of movies get people up and

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out of the house to go see them and it

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was a fun show to do a topic that had

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basically nothing to do with any aspect

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of the paranormal so the radio thing is

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one thing now if you're talking about

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the UFO

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topic and this is something else that

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I've maintained for years I have never

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lost my interest in the mystery of this

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the fact that I personally have

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witnessed and I believe that there is a

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very real phenomenon out there flying

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through our skies to me is is beyond any

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dispute what that is that is the mystery

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and that's one of the things I suppose

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that kept bringing me back with a with

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an active interest in the subject it's

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one of those things that I don't believe

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we will ever quite honestly solve but

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that does not negate the fact that we

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should continue to investigate it well

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that's what keeps me getting back into

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this crazy field but just to go back to

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what you said earlier talking about

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movies for 2012 and some of them had

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almost paranormal or sci-fi aspects to

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them so I'm gonna ask you real quickly

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let's do a little cultural stuff here

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what are your favorite movies for 2012

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boy I'll tell you if we're talking about

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the movie I consider to be the best that

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I've seen this year it would have to be

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Skyfall the James Bond movie I have not

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seen that yet and I want to that was

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just an outstanding film it had all the

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elements that James Bond has always been

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known for my watching James Bond goes

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back to the very first Bond film I saw

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which was 1963 so James Bond has has

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always been the top of my list now in

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the 70s and the 80s I kind of fell away

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from it because of the guy portraying

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bond which was Roger Moore I thought you

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know that when you're talking about

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James Bond Roger Moore just didn't do it

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for me but this this new Bond Daniel

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Craig this guy is has got the right

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level of Menace the right level of grad

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cos if you will and hey let me tell ya

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when when I watch him on the screen he

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is James Bond you forget Sean Connery

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then oh absolutely not but Sean Connery

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well you know back in the 60s he was

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outstanding he was James Bond but these

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days I mean Sean Connery is a little

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long in the tooth couldn't pull it off

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and Daniel Craig is the guy I think he

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has the combination of a dry sense of

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humor the acting chops we're talking

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about a guy who's what been nominated

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for an Academy Award and that's the

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thing too they get some really good

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ensemble performers in a James Bond film

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Skyfall being the first well they gross

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a billion dollars let's move to some

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other films okay

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some other films I like and a lot of

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people didn't I liked

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cowboys and Aliens this year with Daniel

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Craig with Daniel Craig and Harrison

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Ford right and Olivia Wilde the gal from

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house Olivia Wilde 13 right she has been

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in like a thousand films in the last

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year that lady is easy on the eyes you

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know man I'm a guy hey what can I say

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she is easy on the eyes but I much

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enjoyed that film for what it was a

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popcorn munching film you go in for an

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hour and a half or two hours to take

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yourself away from the work the real

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world munch and little popcorn maybe

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drink a soda and enjoy yourself and that

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movie did it all for me okay didn't do

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out the box office but maybe it was a

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little bit of a hard sell because of the

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two genres mixed together the

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traditional Western and the aliens the

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arrival of aliens in well 19th century

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it's it's another film that was taken

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from graphic novels kind of like 30 days

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of night a number of years ago now 30

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days of night in the horror genre is one

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of those films granted it's an acquired

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because there is definitely some graphic

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violence in that movie but it did pretty

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darned well at the box office but it is

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another example of graphic novels making

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the transition you know back in the day

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gene you and I called them comic books

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and of course you know the version of

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Batman The Dark Knight exactly it's

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based on graphic novels okay

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let's look at one or two more movies and

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I'm gonna ask Chris if he even goes in

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the movies anymore and he's seen

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anything what about the other superhero

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flicks starting with the Dark Knight

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Rises based on the graphic novel also

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the reworking of spider-man and the

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Avengers what do you think well I'll be

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very honest Jane I didn't see any of

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those films I'm not too much into the

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superhero genre now if they come out

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with a with a new action thriller and

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the Terminator genre that is one that I

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gotta tell you I am hooked on that

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franchise I was devastated when they

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when they knocked the Sarah Connor

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Chronicles off the Fox Network that to

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me was some really good adult television

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taken from the the film genre and having

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Summer Glau as a terminator well that

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works too okay I don't think she gets

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enough really good work I mean you see

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her these days a guest shot on a TV show

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like for example alphas which is kind of

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like almost an x-men knockoff with

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mutants and everything else sure but you

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don't see her very often I think she's a

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pretty decent actress she's attractive

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but I mean a pretty decent actress she's

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not getting enough works she was great

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in Firefly yes that was just Whedon film

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Rises I saw it in the movie theaters I

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saw the DVD I liked it I think it was

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very well done I saw men in black 3 and

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I thought consuming men in black 2 was

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really awful the third version

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with josh brolin playing a young Tommy

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Lee Jones I thought it was pretty good I

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thought that was pretty well done I had

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fun with the amazing spider-man reboot I

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thought that was very nicely done again

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a little darker than the other film and

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in 2013 of course Man of Steel where

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they give a very dark interpretation of

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Superman in his relevance to society I

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know Chris is wondering what the heck

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we're talking about but I'm sure he's

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going to chime in in the next segment

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telling you about his favorite flicks

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with Gene and Chris you're in the para

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never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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very much we will forgive him but we

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have Don Ecker joining us for a 2012

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retrospective we're focusing on culture

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pop culture the movies things like that

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so before I asked Chris about his favor

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or not so favorite movies or if even

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ghosts of the movies or cares Don what

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movies did you see that you thought were

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real bad well actually none I'm very I'm

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very particular about what I do go see

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now Jean as you know I do my radio

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program DMR five days a week so I do not

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often during the week have a lot of free

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time when I have shows scheduled to do

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and the research and everything that

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that I'm conducting so really the only

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time that I have been free to you know

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indulge myself a little bit like going

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to see a movie is the weekend and

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basically Sunday's are generally tied up

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especially during football season and of

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course this year my team the Steelers

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are not doing very well unfortunately

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but but that leaves Saturday so there

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are right now a bunch of films that I

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have not yet seen that I still want to

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see for example Lincoln now

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Vicky had my wife had the opportunity to

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go to that came home just raving about

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what a wonderful movie that was and I

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still haven't seen it so that that's one

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that's on my must-see list another one

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that I have not yet had the opportunity

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to see that I want to see is the new

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version the reboot of Red Dawn now I saw

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the original when it came out back in

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the eighties with Patrick Swayze Charlie

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Sheen and a number of others and I

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really want to see this new version to

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see how it stacks up to the old what

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probably will happen though I'll have to

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wait until some of these are in the red

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box I'm sure I'll tell you what let's

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move really quickly here into the

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promise of 2013 before I asked Chris

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about his movie favorites or not so

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favorites and that is for 2013 we have

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Christopher Nolan producing a reboot of

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Superman starting from scratch with

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Russell Crowe as jor-el we have Kevin

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Costner as Jonathan Kent we have for

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example this is interesting

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Laurence Fishburne is Perry White he'd

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be the first black Perry White there's

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no Jimmy Olsen that I know of Amy Adams

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is Lois Lane Henry Cavill a

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distinguished British actor becomes the

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Man of Steel or Superman now if you've

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seen the latest trailer it's showing a

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darker interpretation it's showing him

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in Chains before the military and of

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course one of the military people is

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played by Christopher Meloni

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used to be with a law-and-order Special

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Victims Unit show and he did a short

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stint on True Blood he plays a general

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in this movie so it looks like they're

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doing the same thing to Superman as they

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did with Batman what do you think that's

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gonna turn out to be done I think that

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the last thing in the world we need

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right now is a reboot of Superman this

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is one of the things that we discussed a

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little bit on my on my movies of 2012

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show and that is the fact that it seems

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the

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Hollywood anymore is simply incapable of

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coming up with any original ideas or

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concepts so they basically take the old

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concepts and reboot them Examiner stands

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what about the Star Trek reboot did you

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like that I did

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okay so there's gonna be another one

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next year it will not be Khan by the way

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the villain is not gonna be Khan but you

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see Star Trek did something that was

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rather clever and what that was with

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this reboot they ended up going into a

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different timeline now if you're a

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science-fiction aficionado you know what

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I'm talking about

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the reboot had at the very beginning of

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the film had time travel coming back and

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then some and if you haven't seen the

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movie you really should if you're a trek

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fan it had some things that happened

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that really deviated away from the

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original and if you know anything about

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the theory of time travel and paradoxes

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and what-have-you it worked for me what

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about you gene well they put the whole

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thing into an alternate universe and we

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talk about alternate universes with

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regard to the UFO mystery whether some

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UFOs or all UFOs some paranormal

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phenomena is originating from some kind

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of alternate universe so this is a

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concept that we understand so basically

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suddenly the Romulan renegade Romulan

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comes back in time and he changes the

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future so we still have Captain Kirk and

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mr. Spock and the whole crew and Scotty

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but the lives are different so they

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could basically throw away all the Star

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Trek cannons and all the stuff in the

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past except for the basic characters and

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write new stories and even if they

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differ from all the TV shows and the

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other movies it doesn't matter this is

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an alternate universe that's how they

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get away with it

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there's no Brian did you see any movies

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this past year I saw a few most most of

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them I wasn't too impressed by it

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I rarely walk out on films because I'm

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pretty selective about what I go see but

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I walked out on that Batman movie I just

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it was awful

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it was terrible I just it was depressing

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was uh I think questionably politically

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motivated United 99% in the 1% yes yeah

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I just I really felt it was disingenuous

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I I literally walked out a friend of

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mine they're not just we looked at each

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other and said let's go and we did I

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can't remember the last time I walked

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out on a movie did you give up on it

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when did you get as far as the point

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where back man's back is broken by Bain

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yeah I think that's about about when we

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walked up now that's something that

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comes from a comic book of course you

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know I've never been into superheroes

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and all that I have a hard enough time

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playing myself let alone aspiring to

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that that place I did I did see Cowboys

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and Aliens was very let down I thought

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it was shallow it didn't have you know

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with the quality of actors that they you

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know had cast in the film I thought the

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script was poor it just it left me cold

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I I wasn't wasn't impressed some of the

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special effects were decent but you know

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it was they telegraphed everything I

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really didn't like it one movie I

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another movie I saw that I didn't like

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was the the Leo DiCaprio movie on on

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Jagger Hoover I thought he did a good

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job was incredibly miscast was a decent

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script but again I it left me cold okay

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no disagreement there I felt just about

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the same about Hoover one movie I did

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see that I liked a lot surprisingly so

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was the artist

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I really felt they did a good job in

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that and it's rekindled my interest in

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the silent movie era you know from from

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the nineteen 1900s through nineteen you

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know the late 1920s and I've actually

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started researching some of my my film

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school directors Jean Cocteau and and in

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very good and inspiring to me I think

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adventure of a lifetime starts at golden

542
00:26:01,120 --> 00:25:55,190
stag safaris calm the big-game hunting

543
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:01,130
ranch golden stag safaris calm we have

544
00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:02,810
witnessed two terrible storms in the

545
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east but we are still in the eye and the

546
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:06,560
perfect storm

547
00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:08,390
devastating economic conditions since

548
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:10,190
the Great Depression America's worst

549
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,590
drought in agricultural history and now

550
00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:14,240
the economic results of the presidential

551
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:16,580
election this perfect storm is a huge

552
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:19,070
threat to everyone's food supply I just

553
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doubled down and got even more supplies

554
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from eat foods direct and I recommend

555
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you do the same it's time to get your

556
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own supply for me foods direct I know I

557
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won't be standing on a breadline trading

558
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my freedom for food I'm taking control

559
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,110
of my future and you're nuts if you

560
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:35,240
don't do the same go to eat foods erect

561
00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:36,980
calm forward-slash Alex to find the

562
00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:38,360
specials and you can start with a

563
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:40,430
holiday gift pack that's normally $80

564
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:43,160
now under 50 bucks remember I can warn

565
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,780
you but I can't feed you all eight

566
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hundred four oh nine five six 33 or even

567
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direct comm Ford / Alex would you rather

568
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:52,430
prepare six months too early or one day

569
00:27:00,370 --> 00:26:54,770
too late or oh nine five six three three

570
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:00,380
or eat foods direct comm Ford / Alex hi

571
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this is nuclear physicist lecturer

572
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:05,180
Stanton Friedman you are listening to

573
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:08,810
the Peres case the gold standard a

574
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,070
paranormal radio a little pop culture to

575
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:18,080
start out our end of your session with

576
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gene and Chris talking to Don Ecker of

577
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:23,600
the dark matters radio show because Don

578
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:25,580
as he indicated in the first segment of

579
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the show doesn't focus just on UFOs in

580
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:30,740
the paranormal but on pop culture so

581
00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:32,900
you're not a superhero fan therefore

582
00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:35,870
Chris you're not anticipating the reboot

583
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:38,600
of Superman in 2013 I think it's a

584
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:40,850
terrible idea Hollywood Don you brought

585
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:42,470
up a really good point Hollywood is so

586
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:44,330
bereft divided of new ideas they're

587
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:47,650
having to recycle you know these these

588
00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:50,530
tried and true sort of hits from the

589
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:53,720
greatest hits from the past Starsky and

590
00:28:00,910 --> 00:27:56,210
Hutch would be the the classic example

591
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:00,920
of was also really bad 18 was really bad

592
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:03,290
but you know the one I really really was

593
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:06,290
disappointed with they did a remake of I

594
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:11,380
Spy now ice five was a 1960s buddy

595
00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:15,500
TV series with Robert Culp and Bill

596
00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:17,780
Cosby and this is the first time that a

597
00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:20,420
black actor was placed in a

598
00:28:26,770 --> 00:28:24,020
lead heroic roll anyone Emmys for adore

599
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:26,780
was nominated in a TV series say bring

600
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:30,980
Eddie Murphy to be Bill Cosby and it was

601
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:34,130
a bad comedy it was so badly done and I

602
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:36,830
think most of the TV remakes have been

603
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:39,110
awful I think on a rare occasion you do

604
00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:41,690
see things I happen to like the way they

605
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:44,360
handle the Dark Knight on the movies you

606
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:47,330
don't like it that's where we go so what

607
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:49,850
about the Star Trek reboot Chris did you

608
00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:52,910
go for that you know I actually I I

609
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:54,950
liked it I thought the actors were

610
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,600
really well cast I think the plot was

611
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:03,200
kind of a retread of you know a number

612
00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:06,380
of Star Trek movies and episodes from

613
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:08,780
the past I think it has potential I

614
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:11,450
think they did a again the casting was

615
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:13,070
very very well done special effects

616
00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:16,880
obviously were really you know I I was

617
00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:19,040
very impressed but you know they were

618
00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:20,060
really gonna have to get some good

619
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:21,800
writers they should get Tracy Torme

620
00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:24,590
involved and get Tracy to help develop

621
00:29:30,010 --> 00:29:27,040
some script ideas I think Tracy really

622
00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:30,020
would be a really good person to do that

623
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:33,260
and Don congratulations on getting Tracy

624
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:35,930
out of retirement and I understand I

625
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:37,550
spoke with him a couple of weeks back

626
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:42,910
and he's doing a series of really cool

627
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:45,590
shorts with you that's that's really

628
00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:47,420
good to see Tracy of course has gone

629
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:49,280
through some helped of difficulties and

630
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:51,500
he seems to be bouncing back and has a

631
00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:54,530
rekindled interest in the in the the

632
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:56,780
subject of UFOs and in the paranormal

633
00:30:00,790 --> 00:29:58,970
and it's good to see it's good to see

634
00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:00,800
him back next time you talk to him give

635
00:30:03,850 --> 00:30:02,990
him my best for me well I certainly will

636
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:03,860
thank you

637
00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:06,380
let's look at our own little corner of

638
00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:10,040
the world here passings in 2012 of

639
00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:11,900
course Jim Mosely and I wanted to

640
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:13,550
mention this because we had Jim hoesley

641
00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:15,710
Memorial episode with just a handful of

642
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:17,300
the people we would have want to have

643
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:20,630
had on the show but you Donecker made a

644
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:23,450
pithy comment about Jim Mosely in one of

645
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:24,830
your early appearances one of our

646
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:35,590
so now looking at the life of Jim Mosely

647
00:30:39,549 --> 00:30:38,390
now that he's no longer with us how do

648
00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:39,559
you look at him now

649
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:43,280
well Jim Mosely is a giant name going

650
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:47,890
back over 50 years in the UFO field and

651
00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:53,450
there's undoubtedly contributions that

652
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:56,990
Mosely made especially in in the earlier

653
00:31:02,500 --> 00:30:58,090
years

654
00:31:05,049 --> 00:31:02,510
Mosely had an extremely colorful past

655
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:05,059
I mean we're all aware of some of the

656
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:08,750
pranks the hijinks the hoaxes that

657
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:12,170
Mosley and and some of his compatriots

658
00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:16,550
pulled mostly on the gullible UFO public

659
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:21,590
I think in later years when Mosely was

660
00:31:27,549 --> 00:31:25,190
doing saucer smear undoubtedly there

661
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:27,559
were some high comedic moments that

662
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:31,100
Mosely highlighted in his news his

663
00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:34,760
newspaper or his sheet that he was

664
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:39,100
publishing often except for love

665
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:41,570
donations of what Mosely called his love

666
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:44,330
donations he sent these things out free

667
00:31:52,419 --> 00:31:49,700
and I think you know there was certainly

668
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:52,429
some humor some good in that I think

669
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:54,830
though that in the last several years

670
00:32:02,740 --> 00:31:59,360
however mostly although he didn't let it

671
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:02,750
go full-bore I think Jim had if you will

672
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:05,630
sometimes a mean streak that he let

673
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:10,520
shine through how so well you and I

674
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:13,910
never actually discussed what it was

675
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:19,340
that caused me to have the feelings that

676
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,370
I had for Jim why don't you just recap

677
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:24,320
those feelings for those who haven't

678
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:26,110
heard our promotional literature and

679
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,280
recordings and those who didn't hear

680
00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:29,840
some of your previous appearances on the

681
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:33,950
power cast back in the early early 90s

682
00:32:41,169 --> 00:32:38,360
when I had come on board UFO magazine

683
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,179
which I started I started writing and

684
00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:44,880
researching for UFO magazine about 1988

685
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:48,760
and one of the things that that I did

686
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:50,350
coming from a background of law

687
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:54,550
enforcement I had no doubt in my mind

688
00:33:02,100 --> 00:32:58,210
that the UFO phenomenon was absolutely

689
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,110
real now what that phenomenon was then

690
00:33:09,210 --> 00:33:05,440
and what it is today is certainly open

691
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:09,220
to conjecture however the fact that

692
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:12,700
there was something happening in our

693
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:15,910
skies and sometimes on our ground was

694
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:19,420
for me there there was no no argument

695
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:22,450
about that now coming from a law

696
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:24,220
enforcement background basically what I

697
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:27,070
wanted to do was to treat any case that

698
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:29,800
I research absolutely no differently

699
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:33,100
than I would have treated any crime that

700
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:35,980
I had ever investigated and my wife who

701
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:39,100
was the founder and publisher of UFO

702
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,500
magazine came from a journalist

703
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:44,080
background so when we were talking about

704
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:46,630
this and and certainly with all the

705
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:50,320
hijinks and the crapola that often

706
00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:53,080
flowed from the UFO field we decided to

707
00:33:59,370 --> 00:33:56,040
go and do this simply as

708
00:34:01,890 --> 00:33:59,380
journalistically as we could do it the

709
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:01,900
things that we could prove we certainly

710
00:34:07,049 --> 00:34:04,510
offered the proof the things that were

711
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:07,059
questionable we pointed out that that

712
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:10,450
was questionable and taking that stance

713
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:14,320
gene and Kris I felt could also be

714
00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:16,540
applied to the people in the field now

715
00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:19,990
there were then and just like there are

716
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:22,120
today there are a lot of extremely

717
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:25,990
questionable people in the UFO field and

718
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:30,429
at that time there was a number of

719
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,409
people that were making a great splash

720
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:35,679
in the UFO arena that were coming out

721
00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:39,100
with some astounding assertions and one

722
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:40,600
of those people was a guy by the name of

723
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Milton William Cooper now Cooper a name

724
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,410
that is fairly familiar even today

725
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:50,720
ten or eleven years after he was killed

726
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:53,870
in a shootout with police Cooper was

727
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:55,310
quite a character

728
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:01,040
volatile combustible grandiose somebody

729
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:03,530
that often would attend these

730
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:06,860
conferences giving presentations he was

731
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:10,220
quite a drinker and to make a long story

732
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:13,640
short the guy was poison and I ended up

733
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:18,320
doing a rather extensive expose on him

734
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,710
now that certainly lit him up and he

735
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,020
immediately went after myself after the

736
00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:27,260
magazine after my wife and the guy was

737
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:28,520
just you're scum

738
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:32,800
okay now Moseley always being somebody

739
00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:36,950
that wanted to get out there and have a

740
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:40,460
little fun with the topic basically

741
00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:44,780
solicited these feuds in his publication

742
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,300
saucer smear he wanted to keep from

743
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:50,480
going exams the pot-stirrer that it's

744
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:51,770
one of the things that I really liked

745
00:35:55,060 --> 00:35:53,690
about Jim is a he was a pot stirrer but

746
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:55,070
sometimes I went a little bit overboard

747
00:36:01,630 --> 00:35:57,710
well what he did and this is the thing

748
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:01,640
that he did Cooper sent some letters to

749
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:05,330
Moseley and claimed that I had totally

750
00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:07,790
fabricated my military background that I

751
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:10,340
had never served in the military that I

752
00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:13,220
had never been a Vietnam veteran that I

753
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:15,830
had never been a police officer and that

754
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:19,910
my wife okay had been co-opted by the

755
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:22,880
CIA because she had been a bookkeeper

756
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:26,240
back in Washington DC for the sydney

757
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:29,570
biddle barrel Mayflower madam I'll tell

758
00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:30,770
you what we'll get into much more of

759
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:33,620
this and why there was a falling-out so

760
00:36:37,390 --> 00:36:35,510
to speak between Don Ecker and elaichi

761
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,400
and Moseley with gene and Chris you're

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guy.com that's eight six six four zero

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four three six six three or freeze dry

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guide.com 100% veteran-owned the freeze

815
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in the u.s. one in every 50 homes will

816
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have a break-in this year

817
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burglars call it smash-and-grab police

818
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call it robbery

819
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:16,960
we call it avoidable we are fake TV a

820
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:19,300
simple electronic device that can fool

821
00:39:24,089 --> 00:39:21,910
even professional burglars fake TV

822
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:24,099
easily plugs into any outlet and

823
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:25,780
simulates the changing colors of a

824
00:39:30,569 --> 00:39:28,210
television - a burglar it looks like

825
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:30,579
someone must be home watching TV so

826
00:39:36,299 --> 00:39:32,260
they'll likely move on to an easier

827
00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:36,309
target at only 3495 fake TV cost less

828
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than a month of most alarm monitoring

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plans and makes a great Christmas gift

830
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or it's perfect if you're traveling over

831
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the holidays order your fake TV by

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calling 877 5 fake TV or go to fete

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tv.com that's eight seven seven five

834
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three two five three eight eight or fake

835
00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:59,430
tv.com fake TV the burglar deterrent I

836
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,170
have bought a few bottles of heart and

837
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:04,480
body extract and have to say that it

838
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:06,520
certainly does work that's what Jack

839
00:40:09,809 --> 00:40:08,020
from Michigan had to say after his

840
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:09,819
experience with heart pain and what he

841
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:11,230
did to treat it with heart and body

842
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:13,450
extract I actually had a huge heart

843
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:15,250
flutter he's also having some edema

844
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:17,710
around my ankles and very worrisome clot

845
00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:20,470
in my right leg that would happen from

846
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:23,140
time to time I was trying to sleep heart

847
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and body extract is all natural with no

848
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:26,890
negative side effects it will help

849
00:40:30,299 --> 00:40:28,630
repair or correct past problems

850
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associated with the heart and body

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circulation after my second bottle of

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heart and body extract all problems are

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now gone order at HB extract calm or

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856
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of heart and body extract for

857
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maintenance as I want to keep everything

858
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working order heart and body extract at

859
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eight six six two nine five five three

860
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zero five or HB extract calm heart and

861
00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:04,480
this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

862
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:06,740
Coalition for freedom of information and

863
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:10,520
you are listening to the podcast with

864
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:12,170
Jeanne and Chris and the power cast our

865
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:14,180
year-end show featuring Don Ecker at the

866
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:17,150
dark matters radio show and now we're

867
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:19,960
talking about the late William Cooper's

868
00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:22,730
allegations against Don Ecker that I

869
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:27,230
gathered on Mosley printed yes yes he

870
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:30,550
did now here here was the thing we were

871
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:32,570
journalists okay

872
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:34,730
we were journalists that were publishing

873
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:37,400
and researching and and what have you

874
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:39,410
UFO magazine now what does the

875
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:42,890
journalists do when he or she is out

876
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:46,610
covering a story and they're taking

877
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:49,160
quotes and some of these quotes were

878
00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:52,730
certainly litigious in a courtroom

879
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:56,840
setting they get all sides of the story

880
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:00,800
well mostly never bothered to call us up

881
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:05,150
or anything about these allegations that

882
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:08,810
Cooper had made now what he did do was

883
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:12,050
he called up Russ estie's a television

884
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:15,230
producer who was a friend of mine and

885
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:17,720
somebody that Moseley also knew very

886
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,890
well and he asked estie's about these

887
00:42:29,230 --> 00:42:24,610
allegations that Cooper made and Russ

888
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:29,240
Holman knew me very well told him Oh Jim

889
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,710
that's absolute crap okay Cooper is is

890
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:34,880
basically he's a nutcase

891
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:38,720
well Mosley never called me and he went

892
00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:41,810
ahead and he printed these anyway after

893
00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:45,620
st's had told him that it was untrue now

894
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,460
when I read that I had an explosion and

895
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:50,720
I was determined

896
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:53,750
okay Mosley I'm gonna sue you so I

897
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:57,050
started talking to attorneys okay and

898
00:43:04,120 --> 00:42:59,960
the fact of the matter was they wanted

899
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:04,130
starting at $5,000 up front to even

900
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:07,430
begin to initiate a lawsuit now that's

901
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:09,890
interesting here too because some

902
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:12,080
attorneys wouldn't they do this on

903
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:13,910
contingency if they think they could win

904
00:43:18,579 --> 00:43:14,930
something when

905
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,589
damages this is LA baby okay

906
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:20,750
this is LA they want to see the money up

907
00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:23,569
front and the cheapest attorney that I

908
00:43:29,799 --> 00:43:26,750
could find one at five grand to begin

909
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:29,809
this this litigation and I honestly I

910
00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:32,420
didn't have it because had I have had it

911
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:34,280
I would have been happy to go after

912
00:43:39,309 --> 00:43:37,160
Mosely so that was the bone of

913
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:39,319
contention that lay in my breasts for

914
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:43,460
many many years so when you talk to me

915
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:46,609
that very first time on the para cast

916
00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:49,190
and you asked you were asking me about

917
00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:52,220
my impression this is one I had when I

918
00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:55,700
had actively left research about various

919
00:44:00,420 --> 00:43:58,099
people in the field and you you

920
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:00,430
mentioned Jim Mosely well that was a

921
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:03,790
spontaneous eruption you said quote I

922
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:08,030
said if Jim Mosely and I were walking in

923
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:11,540
the desert a thousand miles from any

924
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:15,140
water source and Jim self combusted in

925
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:18,170
front of me I would not piss on Jim to

926
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:22,730
put the fire out I said one of the

927
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:27,530
classic moments now indeed now looking

928
00:44:31,809 --> 00:44:29,569
at that in retrospect have you come to

929
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,819
forgive Jim for what he did for

930
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:34,160
publishing that letter well it's water

931
00:44:39,099 --> 00:44:37,160
under the bridge Jim or something else

932
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:39,109
under the bridge in this case right and

933
00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:41,630
Jim has left the stage so I've come to

934
00:44:46,569 --> 00:44:44,299
terms with it I mean there's not a heck

935
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:46,579
of a lot I can do about it now but know

936
00:44:52,839 --> 00:44:50,569
that that will always remain probably of

937
00:44:56,549 --> 00:44:52,849
somewhat of a bone of contention in me

938
00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:56,559
but I certainly didn't want to see

939
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,480
mostly go in the circumstances that he

940
00:45:04,809 --> 00:45:02,000
that he went I felt bad about that well

941
00:45:07,569 --> 00:45:04,819
it wasn't as ways to go the most

942
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:07,579
pleasant departure but you know Jim was

943
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:09,290
the kind of person who could be a

944
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:11,240
trickster in his own way he liked to

945
00:45:15,339 --> 00:45:13,220
stare off the pot and if there was

946
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:15,349
information about somebody that was

947
00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:17,569
unfavorable even if that person was a

948
00:45:22,299 --> 00:45:19,400
friend and he sometimes ran things about

949
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:22,309
me that maybe I would have preferred he

950
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:24,230
didn't run in fact it was going to be

951
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,880
something about me and the final issue

952
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:28,800
of saucer smear but I don't know

953
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,050
if it will ever see the light of day was

954
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,000
printed and I don't know when or if

955
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:34,800
it'll be distributed but we'll look at

956
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,230
you mostly today you know he did some

957
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:38,880
pretty good work early on of course he

958
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:41,790
published the Adamski expose issue he

959
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:44,070
kept the interest up when things were

960
00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:45,510
not going too well

961
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:49,820
did we look at Jim as primarily a UFO

962
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:52,170
pop-culture kind of person or what I

963
00:45:59,810 --> 00:45:57,270
think we would almost have to his name

964
00:46:03,710 --> 00:45:59,820
is synonymous with people like Donald

965
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:03,720
Kehoe with Ivan Sanderson Long John

966
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:06,930
Neville you know I came across some

967
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:10,140
recordings of the long John Neville show

968
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,230
which was you know The Godfather to

969
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:16,380
anybody that's ever done a radio program

970
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:20,430
dealing with the paranormal UFOs one for

971
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:21,450
art Bell

972
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,700
ladies and gentlemen there was no art

973
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,500
Bell when long John Neville was around

974
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:28,560
but he wasn't just the progenitor of the

975
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:31,410
paranormal talk radio talk radio in

976
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:35,130
general he was one of the pioneers well

977
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:39,690
he was and he went from the 50s all the

978
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:44,280
way up through the mid 1970s at one

979
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:47,609
point was the powerhouse radio program

980
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:50,070
overnight in New York City or coming out

981
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:52,890
of New York City had a number of

982
00:47:02,840 --> 00:46:57,170
extraordinary coos on his radio show and

983
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:02,850
you know Moseley was often a guest on on

984
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:06,500
that program or sitting in a panel of

985
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:09,990
quote-unquote experts that long John

986
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:13,470
would would talk too so yeah there were

987
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:17,970
some absolutely fascinating broadcasts

988
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:20,520
that that I was able to hear from that

989
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,390
time period

990
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:23,970
maybe we should segue away from Jim

991
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:27,540
Mosley into other people who have passed

992
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:31,320
on recently Lucius Farish a guy that did

993
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:35,640
a tremendous service for the UFO reasons

994
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:37,800
especially the research people within

995
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:40,859
the the field of UFO research

996
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:44,730
Lucius for years had collected and then

997
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:48,660
distributed often from totally obscure

998
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:52,680
sources new stories from literally

999
00:48:00,440 --> 00:47:57,210
around the globe and not only that which

1000
00:48:04,249 --> 00:48:00,450
when we were publishing UFO magazine we

1001
00:48:09,049 --> 00:48:04,259
were on his list we traded out his news

1002
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:09,059
service for UFO but he also helped

1003
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:13,200
conferences down in his neck of the

1004
00:48:19,789 --> 00:48:18,599
woods Eureka Springs Springs yeah go

1005
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:19,799
ahead go ahead Chris

1006
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,130
yeah the the Ozarks uh Eureka Springs

1007
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:26,160
conference out of all the conferences

1008
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:29,609
I've been to in the last twenty years i

1009
00:48:39,289 --> 00:48:34,950
I learned more and met more quality you

1010
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:39,299
know just tough nosed hard asked

1011
00:48:44,059 --> 00:48:41,430
researchers and investigators at that

1012
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:44,069
conference and any other serial

1013
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:48,420
conference that I ever went to and you

1014
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,529
know Lou did a very good job I think in

1015
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:54,420
giving a platform for people that were

1016
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,609
up-and-coming in the field the first

1017
00:49:03,289 --> 00:48:58,319
conference I ever spoke at was the

1018
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:03,299
Eureka Springs conference in 1994 and I

1019
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,910
was a nobody but I was sitting on an

1020
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,119
incredible amount of data that I had

1021
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,940
researched and compiled and was in the

1022
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:13,920
midst of a pretty impressive sighting

1023
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,890
wave in the San Luis Valley and and on

1024
00:49:22,489 --> 00:49:19,440
Sundays you know the conference ran

1025
00:49:24,859 --> 00:49:22,499
several days but on Sundays he would

1026
00:49:28,809 --> 00:49:24,869
have a a rapid-fire

1027
00:49:33,769 --> 00:49:28,819
a 20-minute segment per speaker kind of

1028
00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:33,779
program and you know it was much too to

1029
00:49:39,739 --> 00:49:36,809
lose credit I think he made sure that I

1030
00:49:42,979 --> 00:49:39,749
was involved any time I was there and

1031
00:49:46,759 --> 00:49:42,989
and I think he was a real unsung hero in

1032
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,769
the field I I really I'm just wondering

1033
00:49:51,289 --> 00:49:49,140
to myself who do we have in the field

1034
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:51,299
today that's gonna replace someone like

1035
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:54,420
Alou Farish or a Jim Mosely or

1036
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,670
some of that you know that sort of the

1037
00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:58,380
younger brothers of the old guard that

1038
00:50:01,069 --> 00:50:00,510
are now passing on and in and this is

1039
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:01,079
real

1040
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:04,049
I think this continuity issue within the

1041
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,270
field of ufology is is really important

1042
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:08,220
and not enough people are talking about

1043
00:50:13,579 --> 00:50:10,650
it and really scratching their heads and

1044
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,589
and coming up with with some ways to to

1045
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:16,140
keep the momentum going and and you know

1046
00:50:21,010 --> 00:50:18,270
Lou to me was a real unsung hero that

1047
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,020
UFO news clipping service that he had

1048
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,720
was invaluable and prior to the internet

1049
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:27,420
that was that was our internet for UFOs

1050
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,780
and and I look forward to that coming

1051
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:33,000
every month and and really kind of

1052
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:35,630
keeping a pulse on on sighting events

1053
00:50:40,930 --> 00:50:38,040
you know people out there investigating

1054
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:40,940
and how the media at least was handling

1055
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:45,420
this subject so I digress and continue

1056
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:50,910
yeah that you're absolutely correct and

1057
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:54,930
today looking at what is around and it's

1058
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:00,180
mostly internet-based and at best most

1059
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:03,510
of it is highly questionable I think

1060
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:07,049
that a research especially in the field

1061
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:11,099
of unidentified flying objects has to

1062
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:14,250
coin a current phrase gone over the

1063
00:51:20,299 --> 00:51:17,849
cliff before we go over the cliff on the

1064
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,309
show and by the way there definitely

1065
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:22,260
will not be any cliff notes of this

1066
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:25,410
episode we want you to hear every single

1067
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:27,630
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para cast comm with Jean and Chris in

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00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:16,599
the para cast were remembering 2012 some

1135
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:19,450
of the passings of 2012 and also looking

1136
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:23,410
at some of the perspectives of Don Ecker

1137
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,390
who's been in the field for a long long

1138
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:28,000
time we talked about blue Farish who did

1139
00:54:33,509 --> 00:54:30,700
a lot of good work in just letting

1140
00:54:35,069 --> 00:54:33,519
people know what was going on that was

1141
00:54:37,259 --> 00:54:35,079
one of his biggest contributions to let

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00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:37,269
people know what was going on in the

1143
00:54:41,609 --> 00:54:40,480
field give people all these updates

1144
00:54:44,099 --> 00:54:41,619
because a lot of times you had these

1145
00:54:46,259 --> 00:54:44,109
stories about UFOs that would appear in

1146
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:46,269
a small newspaper somewhere and it

1147
00:54:49,289 --> 00:54:47,980
wasn't like the Internet where something

1148
00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:49,299
happens it goes viral

1149
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,880
there was no viral spread of information

1150
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:54,400
and you would even know that there was a

1151
00:54:59,759 --> 00:54:57,609
sighting or some unusual event and

1152
00:55:02,970 --> 00:54:59,769
people like Lou Farish would spread it

1153
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:02,980
today would we need that kind of service

1154
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:05,529
or do you think the Internet provides a

1155
00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:07,089
proper way of getting this information

1156
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,869
time I do not think the internet

1157
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:12,670
provides a way you know there's a

1158
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:15,940
fallacy out there today among people

1159
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:21,480
that consider themselves UFO research

1160
00:55:28,099 --> 00:55:25,000
aficionados and that fallacy is and I

1161
00:55:31,769 --> 00:55:28,109
think Chris will probably agree with me

1162
00:55:35,309 --> 00:55:31,779
that you can do all of your research on

1163
00:55:37,259 --> 00:55:35,319
the computer now sorry to disabuse you

1164
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:37,269
of that notion but if you're serious

1165
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:40,200
about this and it's like anything else

1166
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:43,000
you've really got to get out there

1167
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,950
you've got to dig in you've got to talk

1168
00:55:52,259 --> 00:55:46,980
to people you've got to talk to experts

1169
00:55:54,839 --> 00:55:52,269
etc etc and that's just simply not being

1170
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:54,849
done to any great extent that I can see

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00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:59,170
Chris I totally agreed on I think the

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Internet is a is a really good resource

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00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:02,290
to

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00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:04,990
kind of clue you in on something or or

1175
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:08,710
give you a heads up on something but you

1176
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:10,900
got to turn your computer off and start

1177
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:12,940
dialing the phone you have to start you

1178
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:15,210
know cultivating personal relationships

1179
00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:18,450
talking with people gathering sources

1180
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:22,150
those sources will feed you leads those

1181
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,490
leads will feed you other sources you

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00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:27,040
need to get confirmation of events you

1183
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:28,390
need to get corroboration

1184
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:30,130
it's like conducting a criminal

1185
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:32,829
investigation exactly done and any

1186
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:34,930
law-enforcement person will tell you

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:38,200
that it you you've you've got a dig you

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00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:40,210
can't take anything that comes across

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00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:43,030
the inner Internet and face value even

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00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,680
if it comes from the New York Times of

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00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:46,720
The History Channel website or whomever

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00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:49,210
it doesn't matter you have to get

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00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:53,200
corroboration and some sort of you know

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00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:55,480
you have to dig you have to you have to

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00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:58,329
come up with with with more sources to

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00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,940
support you know an extraordinary claim

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00:57:05,819 --> 00:57:03,520
you know one thing we don't have in the

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news field as much as we used to is

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investigative journalism in

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fact-checking have anything right I mean

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at one time we had whole departments at

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a newspaper that would do the

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00:57:21,089 --> 00:57:18,730
fact-checking that would do the

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00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:21,099
investigative reporting now when we have

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00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:23,170
fact-checking it's restricted to a

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00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:25,270
handful of people who do it with regard

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to political claims so for the example

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00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:30,430
the Washington Post says okay that claim

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00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:32,800
from this politician it's got three

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Pinocchio's or four Pinocchios depending

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00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:39,640
on the extent of the lie I thought that

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would have a response yeah well you're

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00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:45,160
right I mean I mean Newsweek just

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00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:46,630
announced they're not gonna have a print

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00:57:50,099 --> 00:57:48,730
issue anymore if you're a subscriber to

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00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:50,109
Newsweek you got to read them online

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00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,230
that's not so bad not having a print

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00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:55,359
edition we understand print is going by

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00:57:59,370 --> 00:57:57,369
the wayside though I'm disappointed over

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that I think part of the issue here is

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that you don't have a staff to really

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edit the pieces make sure a story before

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it goes out it's properly carefully

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00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:14,079
checked well we we live in an age right

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00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:15,030
now

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decreasing decreasing revenues from any

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:23,520
number of sources and news departments

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:27,090
especially because of the bottom line

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00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:30,410
have been hard hit and like television

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news broadcast and news departments

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00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,790
print news departments and the bottom

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00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:41,400
line which go hand in hand have been

1233
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:43,830
cutting back cutting back cutting back I

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00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:47,910
mean you know back in the 60s if and you

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00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:51,390
guys will remember this back in the 60s

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00:59:00,310 --> 00:58:55,620
for example all three major networks had

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00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:00,320
extensive extensive foreign news

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00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:03,090
services reporters that traveled the

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00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:06,420
world they had news bureaus in places

1240
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:12,360
like Moscow and in Berlin in Germany and

1241
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:15,630
in France in England because of his

1242
00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:17,490
story broke I mean you know the

1243
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:20,340
reporters were there too covered well no

1244
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:23,460
more they don't have that anymore

1245
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:25,710
well we also what we have now is a

1246
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:29,490
consolidation of ownership of media

1247
00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:33,090
outlets so that it's become this you

1248
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:35,100
know you have a choice of three or four

1249
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:38,280
sources to go to where I'm back in the

1250
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:40,410
back in the day as you were pointing out

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00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,490
Don you had a multiple amount of

1252
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:46,380
resources in terms of research material

1253
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:48,210
to pull from now everything is being

1254
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:50,790
consolidated and what consolidation

1255
00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:53,940
comes control spin and and those things

1256
00:59:58,850 --> 00:59:56,580
that Fox News is really good at doing

1257
01:00:02,600 --> 00:59:58,860
you know one of the things also Chris is

1258
01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:02,610
the fact that these days they expect the

1259
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:06,270
news division of a TV station or network

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01:00:12,110 --> 01:00:09,450
to make a profit you know in the old

1261
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,120
days the profits didn't matter now it

1262
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:14,520
has to make a profit in the same way as

1263
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:19,050
a reality show or NCIS drama if it

1264
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:20,970
doesn't show a profit they don't like it

1265
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:24,150
and therefore they will manipulate the

1266
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:27,150
network especially cable TV and cable TV

1267
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:28,380
news to

1268
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:30,450
become entertainment centers they

1269
01:00:34,279 --> 01:00:32,940
promised to deliver the news but what

1270
01:00:36,769 --> 01:00:34,289
they're really doing is delivering

1271
01:00:38,829 --> 01:00:36,779
something for the maximum ratings and

1272
01:00:41,509 --> 01:00:38,839
the maximum advertising income

1273
01:00:45,769 --> 01:00:41,519
absolutely and not only that but you

1274
01:00:49,460 --> 01:00:45,779
have this whole kind of Reliance in in

1275
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:49,470
the political realm of poll data and and

1276
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:51,990
you know these test groups where you

1277
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:55,140
spin your particular message to a group

1278
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:58,890
of potential voters and then based on

1279
01:01:04,009 --> 01:01:01,380
their response you then spin your

1280
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,019
material and everything is becoming so

1281
01:01:09,620 --> 01:01:06,420
homogenized and so bottom line oriented

1282
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,630
that I think we're really turning into a

1283
01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:12,720
society of approximation you know it's

1284
01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:14,849
if everybody's trying to homogenize

1285
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:17,579
everything down to where it's palatable

1286
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:19,559
for most people to understand or even

1287
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:22,500
you know listen to what do you think

1288
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:24,690
about that dawn do you see a watering

1289
01:01:31,099 --> 01:01:28,740
down of of culture here and this in this

1290
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:31,109
regard there's no watering down of

1291
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:34,710
practically everything back in the day

1292
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:39,359
when I was doing well my earlier radio

1293
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:41,910
broadcast and even at the very beginning

1294
01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:44,910
of dark matters radio which took place

1295
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:50,099
around 2004 often during that time

1296
01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:54,089
period I was still broadcasting with

1297
01:02:03,160 --> 01:01:57,150
film and television star Dwight Schultz

1298
01:02:09,499 --> 01:02:03,170
and Schultz had a very clever take on

1299
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,509
his views on how the media was evolving

1300
01:02:14,509 --> 01:02:12,480
or devolving depend depending upon your

1301
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:14,519
point of view and by the latest mention

1302
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:16,140
here of the fact that he's a very smart

1303
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:18,450
guy Dwight Schultz but you all have to

1304
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:21,150
know him from the eighteen and also he

1305
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:23,819
was in Star Trek next generation oh yeah

1306
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:25,470
and Voyager sure

1307
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:29,579
well Schulz said that news reporters now

1308
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:32,730
no longer give the news they give their

1309
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:36,630
views and basically the spin that is

1310
01:02:41,339 --> 01:02:40,500
often put on any story is it's pretty

1311
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:41,349
evident

1312
01:02:47,219 --> 01:02:43,569
is what is happening for example now

1313
01:02:50,819 --> 01:02:47,229
right now as we do this broadcast one of

1314
01:02:54,329 --> 01:02:50,829
the hottest political potatoes that's on

1315
01:03:00,599 --> 01:02:54,339
the boiler is the question of gun

1316
01:03:03,539 --> 01:03:00,609
control firearms now I don't know and

1317
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:03,549
and if you try to talk about this

1318
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:07,410
particular topic and you're trying to be

1319
01:03:16,709 --> 01:03:12,400
factual you're trying to be logical you

1320
01:03:20,939 --> 01:03:16,719
run into basically a wall of emotion and

1321
01:03:24,779 --> 01:03:20,949
the wall of emotion is often spun

1322
01:03:27,499 --> 01:03:24,789
particularly by the media sources and by

1323
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:27,509
political sources that have a particular

1324
01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:31,209
agenda when it comes to questions of the

1325
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:33,640
Second Amendment and questions of gun

1326
01:03:37,890 --> 01:03:35,650
control and we'll go into more of that

1327
01:03:40,709 --> 01:03:37,900
debate gun control and more with Gene

1328
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:40,719
and Kris talking to Don Ecker

1329
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,700
[Music]

1330
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:51,180
attack of the rock ODEs has been

1331
01:03:54,859 --> 01:03:52,950
well-received by critics and readers

1332
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:54,869
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1333
01:04:00,050 --> 01:03:57,720
you'll never forget a former US military

1334
01:04:02,329 --> 01:04:00,060
intelligence officer is haunted by

1335
01:04:04,970 --> 01:04:02,339
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1336
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:04,980
pleading for his help after a terrible

1337
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,710
battle in outer space but the dreams

1338
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:09,839
turn out to be true and thrust him into

1339
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:11,820
a telepathic love affair with a woman

1340
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:14,520
whose faraway planet is intent on

1341
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:16,859
destroying the earth and now the

1342
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:19,710
gripping tale continues in the coming of

1343
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:22,140
the protectors it's the second book of

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with Gina and Chris in the para Cass we

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have Don Ecker of the dark matters radio

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paranormal and lots more and we were

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focusing here on the questionable

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controversial subject of gun control and

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the Second Amendment Don

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well actually what we were talking about

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was the media and I was using the topic

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gun control and the Second Amendment as

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an example let's face it when when you

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are looking at the facts this nation was

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originally founded as a result of the

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crown the British crown attempting to

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disarm American citizens at Lexington

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and Concord in April of 1775 that is the

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the geographical location where the shot

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heard round the world was fired that was

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the spark that caused the American

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Revolution

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now the same thing today there are

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people that are absolutely passionate

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about this on both sides of the equation

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whether you're for or against gun

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control now the media traditionally has

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always turned very jaundiced eye on this

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now the simple fact of the matter is if

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you're talking about gun control you're

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talking about laws that are already on

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the books now who obey obeys those laws

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well traditionally honest citizens and

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law-abiding citizens of the people that

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obey laws who doesn't obey laws well

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criminals and criminals if they want to

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carry out some nefarious Act it won't

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matter how many laws

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locks only keep out honest people

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exactly exactly and criminals will

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somehow come up with a pair of bolt

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cutters comes the gun controlled on its

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it's not the gun you know the gun is is

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is the the method of the crime it's it's

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the criminal it's the gun wielder well

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you know if it ever comes to to for

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example the attempt by the federal

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government to ban and go out and

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confiscate firearms you know I was just

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:41,100
recently briefly talking about this very

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01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:44,010
topic with someone and I said you know

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when I was in the Army they taught me a

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lot of nefarious things to do involving

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everything from firearms to knives to

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:10:57,740
explosives I said do you realize that

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even with a total ban on guns which

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number one would never work we banned

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heroin and meth meth and cocaine and how

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many other you know substances have we

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banned and has that stopped any of it of

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course not as long as there is a black

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market for something it doesn't matter

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what the government says people will

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find a way to get around it and get

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whatever it is they want so I I was

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telling this guy I said you realize that

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in a matter of an hour at most I could

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manufacture for my own use a perfectly

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serviceable firearm it would be a single

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shot but if I wanted to to have a gun

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and I couldn't get one through lawful or

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legal means I could make myself one and

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the guy so what are you talking about I

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said well this is what you do and I

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explained to him how I would go about

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making a single shot item that would be

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perfectly good for one shot and he said

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well how would you power it and he said

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:07,860
what do you mean he said well what would

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you use for gunpowder and I said match

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heads

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get you know a dozen or maybe a dozen

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and a half books

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of Mancha's scrape all that material off

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the match end grind it up put it down

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the barrel put your projectile on top of

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that and buddy you've got yourself a

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01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:32,060
perfectly suitable single shot a weapon

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01:12:36,610 --> 01:12:34,130
that's only good at close range but hey

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you know it works I guess what I'm

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trying what I'm trying to point out is

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that these bands are simply a patina to

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feel good because in practical

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practicality they don't do a damn bit of

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01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:52,850
good for anybody what about some limited

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regulation though in terms of licensing

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journey people for criminal record stuff

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:12:58,760
like that

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let me ask you a question right now

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:03,170
today if we're talking about this this

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01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:06,650
subject of gun control what are two of

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:10,070
the most violent cities in the United

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01:13:15,460 --> 01:13:12,890
States where if you go there's an

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01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:15,470
excellent possibility the people in the

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01:13:20,230 --> 01:13:17,210
wrong part of town you're gonna end up

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01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:20,240
dead Washington DC is right at the top

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01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,220
of the list Chicago Illinois and

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01:13:26,980 --> 01:13:25,280
Washington DC which have by the way some

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01:13:29,890 --> 01:13:26,990
of the most stringent gun controls

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01:13:32,290 --> 01:13:29,900
anywhere exactly you know maybe that's

1539
01:13:33,730 --> 01:13:32,300
also a matter of striking a balance with

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01:13:36,910 --> 01:13:33,740
anything you have a strike a balance

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01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:36,920
like for example a couple of states have

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:40,670
now allowed recreational use I guess of

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01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:43,850
marijuana and anything that's done with

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01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:46,430
proper controls and responsible controls

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:48,470
can work certainly kids shouldn't be

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01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:50,090
smoking marijuana any more than they

1547
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:52,220
should be drinking alcohol but if you

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01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:54,890
have proper controls over adults

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:57,680
consuming marijuana not driving under

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01:14:01,870 --> 01:13:59,330
the influence because that's a crime no

1551
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:01,880
matter what and can endanger people that

1552
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:03,890
would be responsible it's where things

1553
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:05,450
are irresponsible that we run into

1554
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:07,370
problems or they try too hard

1555
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:09,830
they just tempt people well sure in

1556
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:12,110
California was one of these states that

1557
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:14,300
led the way on that with the medicinal

1558
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:18,340
use of marijuana and when the California

1559
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:21,620
Legislature passed those laws especially

1560
01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:26,170
here in the Los Angeles area pot shops

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01:14:32,379 --> 01:14:29,030
sprang up everywhere

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01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:32,389
now it was a joke trying to limit this

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01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:35,900
strictly to medicinal purposes because

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01:14:42,129 --> 01:14:39,199
anybody to basically go and it was easy

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01:14:46,540 --> 01:14:42,139
to find out which doctors would give you

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01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:46,550
a pop card any doctor can give you a pop

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01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:48,920
card and then you can go out and buy pot

1568
01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:53,150
legally and use it for whatever purposes

1569
01:14:59,580 --> 01:14:55,969
you wish so you know the whole thing

1570
01:15:02,740 --> 01:14:59,590
about about pot is is another example of

1571
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:02,750
trying to ban a substance that the

1572
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,110
public didn't agree with and today's

1573
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:08,960
Lassa prove that point in more and more

1574
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,090
states I believe before it's all said

1575
01:15:17,470 --> 01:15:14,239
and done states like well Oregon

1576
01:15:19,959 --> 01:15:17,480
Washington State Colorado now you can

1577
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:19,969
legally under circumstances you can

1578
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:23,360
legally buy it so I think it's the trend

1579
01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:26,480
has been set with that question well

1580
01:15:33,370 --> 01:15:29,000
that's another thing too I think in the

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01:15:35,049 --> 01:15:33,380
end I suspect at least as long as you

1582
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:35,059
have the current administration the

1583
01:15:40,810 --> 01:15:38,090
current points of view that this is

1584
01:15:43,629 --> 01:15:40,820
going to be a trend and that marijuana

1585
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:43,639
will ultimately become more legal in

1586
01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:46,610
more places but again I only concern

1587
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:49,940
here is just people driving under any

1588
01:15:54,729 --> 01:15:52,099
influence well let me let me just say

1589
01:15:57,279 --> 01:15:54,739
this that when I was a cop believe me I

1590
01:15:59,649 --> 01:15:57,289
would have much rather had to deal with

1591
01:16:01,930 --> 01:15:59,659
somebody that was smoking pot than

1592
01:16:05,919 --> 01:16:01,940
somebody that had a belly full of beer

1593
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:05,929
let me tell you because I have very very

1594
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:09,530
seldom ever seen anybody doing pot that

1595
01:16:15,370 --> 01:16:11,900
got violent but you certainly couldn't

1596
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:15,380
say that about drunks yeah it sounds to

1597
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:18,650
me like that would be the most as they

1598
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say questionable thing is someone who's

1599
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drunk and become violent someone who is

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stoned on pot tends to mellow out I

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guess we're gonna be mellow here because

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himself Don Eckhart

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oh is that fair hey listen you know

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that's great that it's one of the things

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that your audience and Gina and I really

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love about you is boy it's straight talk

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with Don Ecker aspire towards that

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believe me Don Ecker Straight Talk

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Express yeah me and John McCain what can

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I tell you so anyway guys you fellows

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have had some real cooz this year with

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the para cast and where do you see that

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let me let me turn the tables on both of

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you right now where do you see that

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heading Oh down the road uh we're in

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trouble now he is asking us questions

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well that's a really good question Don I

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mean you know this past year has been

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very it's been very eventful and you

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know I think the para cast and your show

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and just a handful of other shows at

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least in the paranormal realm have kind

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of assumed the mantle of of being the

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cops here and and we really need to

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self-police ourselves in this field and

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weed out the chafe and separate the

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signal from the noise and focus on what

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may be the most viable avenues for a new

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insight new understanding new awareness

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about this very complex subject and it's

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a tough job unfortunately there's not

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many podcasts out there that are doing

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it although there are some and and we

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can cite them but but you're right Don

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this is you know it's a brave new world

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out there with the internet a lot of

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people are being programmed by a lot of

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BS as far as I'm concerned well yeah

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that that's always the problem but let

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me ask you a question let me do a follow

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up if you will what you just said about

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being the police of the paranormal was

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something I felt we were trying to do on

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UFO magazine over 20 years ago

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now here's the question ultimately does

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it do any good and you know God knows

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that on my show I proceeded down that

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01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:29,400
line the para cast often has proceeded

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down that line there are a number of

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classic episodes on the para cast

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especially a number of years ago that

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are somewhat famous today with with Gene

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and when David B ed me also co-hosted on

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there where you guys went after some

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01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:55,050
people that had literal meltdowns on the

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show people like Steven Greer people

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like the guy from the disclosure

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movement and even criminals and and

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thieves that know I was about to say the

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death knell on his future appearances on

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the power cast because he hung up on us

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and Steve Bassett

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in terms of disclosure but well he had a

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:24,660
pretty major meltdown - he got really up

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01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:26,850
at he with us but you see that this is

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my my point regardless of how many times

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you have done that or that I have done

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that these guys continue marching down

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01:24:40,730 --> 01:24:38,880
the path you know and there are still

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people out there that are willing to

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follow them regardless of how many times

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they've been exposed so what ultimately

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what good does it do I guess is my is my

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point

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I think if we don't do it and you don't

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do it and it doesn't get done then a lot

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of people out there will contain

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you to express unproven claims and

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people accept it because there's no

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contrary point of view a lot of shows

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01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:12,210
are just they says sit back and they let

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01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:14,550
people make all the exaggerated claims

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what's a pander to their listeners and

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they regard it as a source of

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entertainment and that's how they make

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their paycheck well you know an example

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now often it will also depend upon the

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host if you will and and something that

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I pointed out several times back in the

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heyday of late-night talk radio with art

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bell now there's no doubt I don't think

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in anyone's mind that ever heard Bell or

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even appeared on coast to coast either

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as a caller or a guest with art bell

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that he was a master showman he learned

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from Long John nibble Long John Neville

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was the kind of person who would

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occasionally pull pranks just to keep an

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audience exactly

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now now art over the years had a number

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of people that he would bring on because

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it was entertainment now the one guy

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that that I invariably will point to is

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at Dame's who has for years as a remote

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viewer Doctor Doom okay

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and I couldn't tell you now we just

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recently had on DMR we had a an

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apocalyptic show the end of the world

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show which of course guys in case no one

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mentioned it we're still here but you

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know there were people out there that

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that believed the world was coming to an

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end and and Edie dames often through his

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remote viewing prowess would would

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predict the end of the world from any

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number of things and art would sit there

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01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:03,810
and ah and never challenge him but yet

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in a very famous incident back in

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01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:09,780
February of 2001 I was a guest on our

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01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:12,570
show and I was talking about lunar

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transient

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and had sent art a number of photographs

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:20,920
and my golly Yuda thought i was trying

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to sell ownership deeds to the Brooklyn

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Bridge the way art in a very polite way

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01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:31,450
but in a very polite way how he came

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after me and you know claiming until I

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actually metaphorically

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01:27:43,229 --> 01:27:40,660
you know pointed his nose that some of

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01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:43,239
the things I was describing and even

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01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:46,630
then Bell who admitted he saw what I was

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01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:49,420
describing said well are you sure done

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:52,750
that we're just not looking at too many

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01:27:58,290 --> 01:27:56,290
pictures or you know so basically it all

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:27:58,300
depends upon the host whether they're

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really being upfront and honest or

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whether they they have their own agenda

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to push and I could never understand

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that because some of the things that

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01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:12,670
that art that pushed over the years well

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01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:15,310
I mean he had some he had some real

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crazy shows in the past well I think

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01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:19,780
that was also the problem with Long John

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01:28:24,780 --> 01:28:22,360
Nebel and sometimes he would expose

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somebody let them look like a bunch of

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fools and other times he'd get him on

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the air and he just let them go and let

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him do their thing and one time there

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was a scene where they were talking I

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think about the men in black and he said

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something we have nobody was gonna cut

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01:28:43,709 --> 01:28:41,290
us off the show and then music started

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playing and they have this hoax where

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supposedly they got a call from someone

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in management over a wor this is back

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01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:52,420
what then in the late 50s early 60s the

1855
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engineer gets this phone call to stop

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01:29:00,260 --> 01:28:57,489
the show and start playing music instead

1857
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:00,270
that of course was one of long John's

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tricks you're not gonna see that here at

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the pair of cast and I'm sure on Don

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show I think you know one thing that's

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really important is we need to get you

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know ratchet up the seriousness here in

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this field you know how can people

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really know some sort of editorial stand

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01:29:26,250 --> 01:29:23,170
in this subject area if you're willing

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to do a Mosley or a Neville or suspend

1867
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:27,880
your disbelief like George

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01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,850
or your art bill that's why your show

1869
01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:32,800
dawn and the para cast I think are

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really important because you know we got

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01:29:39,420 --> 01:29:37,300
our game faces on here

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sure we'll laugh at the jokes and we'll

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you know we'll try to get our guests to

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feel you know comfortable to to come

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forward and talk about you know their

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work and all that but we don't go there

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we're not in this for the entertainment

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value we're in this to get to the truth

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predecessor here at the para caso Jean

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and and those first two and a half three

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have some sort of wobble in their force

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and so it's very difficult for us now to

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get those guests on the air that we

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really want to you know you know put the

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don't even advertise it as weight loss I

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cast we have Don Ecker and one of the

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issues that Kris was raising before we

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did the break is the fact that there are

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some guests we'd like to put their feet

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to the fire but they are reluctant to

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come on yeah Whitley Strieber

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come on down and do basashi oh come on

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down shall I keep naming names Jean Don

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no III was going to name a few names I

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tried desperately to get dick Hoagland

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to come on

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DMR because I quite frankly I have a

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01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:44,630
number of questions that I would like to

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01:35:53,860 --> 01:35:49,040
put to Richard and back in the 90s dick

2012
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was was quite free and open to come on

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my original radio programs and I guess

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it's been two years ago now that I had

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been in communication with with Richard

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Hoagland up on Facebook through his

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01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:10,880
Facebook account and was trying to get

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01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:15,050
him to come on my show and suddenly dick

2019
01:36:22,210 --> 01:36:19,730
quit responding to my invitations I mean

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01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:22,220
not even to the point where he would say

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01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:25,390
Don go to hell there was just nothing

2022
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:30,010
deafening deafening silence so I think

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01:36:42,460 --> 01:36:37,730
that in a case like that and these some

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01:36:43,630 --> 01:36:42,470
of these people like Bassanio and some

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01:36:46,420 --> 01:36:43,640
of these other people that have been

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01:36:51,820 --> 01:36:46,430
making these absolutely extraordinary

2027
01:36:54,530 --> 01:36:51,830
claims if they refuse to to come on a

2028
01:36:58,050 --> 01:36:54,540
show that's going to have some honest

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01:37:01,440 --> 01:36:58,060
questioning and they will only go on

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01:37:04,820 --> 01:37:01,450
programs that have no questioning will

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01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:04,830
accept everything they say without

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01:37:13,170 --> 01:37:07,540
without comment a remark that it

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01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,180
behooves us Jane Chris myself to be

2034
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:16,000
willing to talk about that on the on the

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01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,130
air if you will well you know here's one

2036
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:20,320
of the things to and that is our rare

2037
01:37:24,750 --> 01:37:22,030
occasion we get criticisms from

2038
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:24,760
listeners who say why won't you let the

2039
01:37:29,670 --> 01:37:26,770
guests talk why do you stop them with a

2040
01:37:30,540 --> 01:37:29,680
question of course I say well that's

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01:37:35,490 --> 01:37:30,550
what we're here for

2042
01:37:39,630 --> 01:37:35,500
yeah you know this this is not a public

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01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:39,640
forum where you know you you must expect

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01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:42,810
that somebody is going to come on and

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01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:45,880
just spout whatever it is they're

2046
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:48,400
spouting without comment or remark

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01:37:55,730 --> 01:37:50,910
because then you know you don't have a

2048
01:37:59,720 --> 01:37:55,740
you don't have an honest QA and honest

2049
01:38:04,080 --> 01:37:59,730
you know if somebody is telling you that

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01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:04,090
hey UFOs are landing twice a week in my

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01:38:08,190 --> 01:38:06,610
backyard and they're coming out and

2052
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:08,200
giving me the secrets to the universe

2053
01:38:15,410 --> 01:38:11,440
and here are these secrets well I mean a

2054
01:38:20,570 --> 01:38:15,420
claim like that begs a million questions

2055
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:20,580
like for example okay well why don't you

2056
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:24,310
why don't you tell me when these nights

2057
01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:26,980
are so somebody can want and verify that

2058
01:38:32,250 --> 01:38:29,620
or take some photographs or you know any

2059
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:32,260
number of questions so there it is I

2060
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:35,440
mean if you're going to do a show where

2061
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:38,040
you're trying to educate the audience

2062
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:41,230
that some of these claims in fact might

2063
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:45,070
be real and a lot of them aren't it

2064
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:48,730
falls to the host to provide the

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01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:51,070
mechanism where these claims are

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01:38:56,730 --> 01:38:54,220
examined well this is why we continue

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01:38:58,710 --> 01:38:56,740
this is why we persevere and this is why

2068
01:39:01,230 --> 01:38:58,720
we continue to try to get these guests

2069
01:39:05,580 --> 01:39:01,240
on now I remember the encounter I had

2070
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with the one the only Whitley Strieber

2071
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:07,960
over at this

2072
01:39:12,570 --> 01:39:11,200
UFO event outside of Scottsdale Chris

2073
01:39:14,670 --> 01:39:12,580
you weren't with me at that point you

2074
01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:14,680
were with me in the sense of you were on

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01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:16,600
the scene but that yeah I wasn't

2076
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:18,760
standing there right when you first

2077
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:21,010
initially approached him I was there

2078
01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:23,560
when you said allo to him for a second

2079
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:27,100
time and he kind of you know he just put

2080
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:30,610
his nerdy professor look on kind of hung

2081
01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:33,610
his head and waggled it and walked away

2082
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:36,550
but yeah Whitley's fever is someone that

2083
01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:38,110
we we would love to get on the show

2084
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:40,120
there's a number of people that we would

2085
01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:44,200
love to really dig into you know why

2086
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:46,420
they are receiving the amount of

2087
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,390
attention and cuju leti out there in the

2088
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:51,360
community Alfred Webber

2089
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:53,890
you know I could I could rattle off a

2090
01:40:00,720 --> 01:39:57,520
list of names Laura Eisenhower this new

2091
01:40:03,660 --> 01:40:00,730
guy that's on on the scene what's his

2092
01:40:06,450 --> 01:40:03,670
name Dietrich I would love to talk to

2093
01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:06,460
this guy very interesting character but

2094
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:09,030
I think our reputation precedes us and

2095
01:40:14,370 --> 01:40:12,370
you know people have been may be advised

2096
01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:14,380
well if you don't want to have to deal

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01:40:19,979 --> 01:40:16,360
with the hot seat and the heat in the

2098
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,989
kitchen you may be better kind of turn

2099
01:40:24,330 --> 01:40:22,000
down an invitation from the Parekh a

2100
01:40:28,410 --> 01:40:24,340
store or from Dark Matters for that

2101
01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:28,420
matter so you know we're running this

2102
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:31,060
kind of weird tightrope of of being

2103
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:34,030
entertainment and open enough and not

2104
01:40:38,570 --> 01:40:36,130
being too critical in the minds of the

2105
01:40:41,459 --> 01:40:38,580
people that really need to be exposed

2106
01:40:44,580 --> 01:40:41,469
you know present company you know

2107
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:44,590
before-mentioned company excluded well I

2108
01:40:52,290 --> 01:40:49,630
don't know if necessarily the the right

2109
01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:52,300
adjective is these people need to be

2110
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:56,440
exposed I think these people need to be

2111
01:41:00,600 --> 01:40:57,190
questioned

2112
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:00,610
I think they the claims need to be

2113
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:04,060
examined and yeah that's kind of what I

2114
01:41:10,140 --> 01:41:06,400
meant by exposed I mean exposed to a

2115
01:41:12,150 --> 01:41:10,150
critical audience yes yes absolutely I

2116
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:12,160
think that's the other thing about the

2117
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:14,590
paranormal field a lot of people listen

2118
01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:16,450
to these shows with the expectation of

2119
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:18,550
being entertained they don't care if

2120
01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:20,500
it's real I don't care if there are UFOs

2121
01:41:24,570 --> 01:41:21,400
or not

2122
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:24,580
ghosts are not except in the very shall

2123
01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:26,920
we say superficial way they just want to

2124
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:30,460
be wowed and unfortunately there are a

2125
01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:33,330
number of venues where they can go for

2126
01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:37,390
exactly that that purpose but it's never

2127
01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:39,820
been the pair cast it's never been dark

2128
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,060
matters radio and if you want to you

2129
01:41:49,740 --> 01:41:46,239
know at least watch a number of people

2130
01:41:52,020 --> 01:41:49,750
try to get to the bottom of some of

2131
01:41:55,709 --> 01:41:52,030
these claims then those are two programs

2132
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,719
that I would suggest do that the para

2133
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:58,320
cast traditionally has always been

2134
01:42:04,169 --> 01:42:01,840
viewed in that regard and so has as my

2135
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:04,179
Dark Matters radio now one of our more

2136
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:05,890
interesting episodes is when we were

2137
01:42:10,979 --> 01:42:08,350
discussing on occasion a certain figure

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01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:10,989
in UFO research who co-wrote a book with

2139
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:13,420
dr. J Alan Hynek claiming to have a

2140
01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:16,210
doctorate from MIT and all these other

2141
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:17,830
credentials and it turned out all that

2142
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:20,710
stuff was a fake yes and that was it

2143
01:42:27,959 --> 01:42:24,730
that was exposed primarily on the

2144
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:27,969
podcast forms initially white it was

2145
01:42:30,780 --> 01:42:30,250
exposed by our friendly skeptic Lance

2146
01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:30,790
Moody

2147
01:42:35,550 --> 01:42:32,860
I know you looked into it from the

2148
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:35,560
standpoint of his possible military

2149
01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:37,800
background this particular researcher

2150
01:42:43,050 --> 01:42:40,600
well I don't know why you're not naming

2151
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:43,060
him gene it's Phillip at Brock no well

2152
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:46,960
I'm just the free publicity because some

2153
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:49,300
people don't care what you say about

2154
01:42:54,060 --> 01:42:51,010
them as long as you get their names

2155
01:42:58,260 --> 01:42:54,070
right and spelled correctly well yeah

2156
01:43:01,380 --> 01:42:58,270
now this guy had been a guest on my

2157
01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:01,390
program several times and it was

2158
01:43:07,919 --> 01:43:04,600
somebody that quite frankly I had known

2159
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,929
somewhat going back over 20 years and he

2160
01:43:14,850 --> 01:43:10,239
is one of the co-authors on one of the

2161
01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:14,860
classics in the UFO research field back

2162
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:18,760
in the 80s that you know came out along

2163
01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:22,960
with dr. J Allen Hynek and well Knight

2164
01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:25,030
seeds but we're still not sure exactly

2165
01:43:29,610 --> 01:43:27,310
how much involvement Hynek had in that

2166
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:29,620
book there's been some question about

2167
01:43:34,919 --> 01:43:33,070
that very fact coming up with the you

2168
01:43:39,689 --> 01:43:34,929
know revelations of Umbra

2169
01:43:42,029 --> 01:43:39,699
those kind of erroneous statements of

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01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:42,039
his background right well his you know

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01:43:49,259 --> 01:43:47,050
he made a point and at the time along

2172
01:43:51,689 --> 01:43:49,269
with a lot of the other information he

2173
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:51,699
was he was throwing out of my program he

2174
01:43:59,219 --> 01:43:53,880
made a point of mentioning his military

2175
01:44:02,270 --> 01:43:59,229
background being in the American elite

2176
01:44:06,359 --> 01:44:02,280
army group the Special Forces and

2177
01:44:10,679 --> 01:44:06,369
serving on across the fence missions in

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01:44:15,029 --> 01:44:10,689
Cambodia during the Vietnam War and it

2179
01:44:19,259 --> 01:44:15,039
wasn't until lance modi came up and and

2180
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:19,269
had messaged me privately that he had

2181
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,449
discovered that the claims of him brock

2182
01:44:30,569 --> 01:44:25,679
know about his PhD from MIT were totally

2183
01:44:34,620 --> 01:44:30,579
erroneous and you know that's when i

2184
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:34,630
decided to contact my military contacts

2185
01:44:41,729 --> 01:44:39,130
to find out if in fact in brock know had

2186
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:41,739
served in special forces now here was a

2187
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:44,280
guy that went back well over 25 years

2188
01:44:51,719 --> 01:44:47,530
was a name that was well-known in the

2189
01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:51,729
field and had done what previously was

2190
01:44:56,939 --> 01:44:53,800
thought to be some extremely important

2191
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:56,949
work and of course it turned out that

2192
01:45:02,850 --> 01:44:59,920
his PhD claims were totally bogus his

2193
01:45:05,939 --> 01:45:02,860
military claims were totally bogus and

2194
01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:05,949
if he's going to prevaricate on those on

2195
01:45:12,060 --> 01:45:09,550
those two primary aspects to his

2196
01:45:14,189 --> 01:45:12,070
biography let me sum it up before we do

2197
01:45:16,109 --> 01:45:14,199
the break if that's what he's doing why

2198
01:45:17,850 --> 01:45:16,119
believe anything he writes about we have

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here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

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Chris and the power cast were doing our

2259
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last show of 2012 with our good friend

2260
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:11,329
Don Ecker who's our favorite critic he

2261
01:48:15,549 --> 01:48:13,520
stands with us and trying to expose the

2262
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:15,559
fakers by the way Chris we did have a

2263
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:18,920
short thread in the power cast forums at

2264
01:48:24,129 --> 01:48:21,710
forum about the power cast calm where we

2265
01:48:28,089 --> 01:48:24,139
had a question bank that we opened up

2266
01:48:29,770 --> 01:48:28,099
for Don Ecker we do yes in a couple of

2267
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:29,780
questions I think one of them I already

2268
01:48:35,740 --> 01:48:33,320
answered with Dawn kind of early on in

2269
01:48:36,970 --> 01:48:35,750
the show and I'll look at that and make

2270
01:48:39,339 --> 01:48:36,980
sure we don't get to that particular

2271
01:48:40,959 --> 01:48:39,349
question again because I'm sure people

2272
01:48:43,359 --> 01:48:40,969
don't want to hear the same thing over

2273
01:48:45,129 --> 01:48:43,369
and over again Don we have we have some

2274
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:45,139
questions here in the question Bank from

2275
01:48:50,979 --> 01:48:48,050
our you know very faithful posters here

2276
01:48:52,810 --> 01:48:50,989
at forum dr. Perry cast calm and Ward is

2277
01:48:55,870 --> 01:48:52,820
a longtime poster he's one of our

2278
01:48:59,439 --> 01:48:55,880
longest veterans at the forum and he

2279
01:49:01,930 --> 01:48:59,449
wonders about your support of the sts-48

2280
01:49:03,370 --> 01:49:01,940
footage that you broke on Larry King do

2281
01:49:05,260 --> 01:49:03,380
you still believe that it shows

2282
01:49:08,529 --> 01:49:05,270
something anomalous and not frozen

2283
01:49:15,029 --> 01:49:08,539
particles floating in space yes yes I do

2284
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:15,039
i that that is a case that has basically

2285
01:49:28,209 --> 01:49:22,070
haunted me for years and in the exposing

2286
01:49:31,390 --> 01:49:28,219
that story on sts-48 after I had been

2287
01:49:34,089 --> 01:49:31,400
made aware of it from a UFO investigator

2288
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:34,099
back east who sent me the footage

2289
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:37,010
originally and this is something I

2290
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:39,650
always try to I I never tried a hog

2291
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:43,510
credit to myself where it's not due and

2292
01:49:49,870 --> 01:49:46,400
this is a guy and I've mentioned his

2293
01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:49,880
name Oh many times in the past was a

2294
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:52,429
fellow by the name of Donald ranch in

2295
01:49:58,610 --> 01:49:56,090
Maryland and Don sent me that footage

2296
01:50:01,060 --> 01:49:58,620
and when I looked at it

2297
01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:01,070
to tell you the very first time I ever

2298
01:50:05,650 --> 01:50:04,440
saw that footage it floored me it was

2299
01:50:10,730 --> 01:50:05,660
one of those

2300
01:50:15,010 --> 01:50:10,740
ohmygod moments okay and I in turn got

2301
01:50:18,020 --> 01:50:15,020
in touch with the producer I knew on CNN

2302
01:50:18,590 --> 01:50:18,030
who produced the Larry King show at the

2303
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:18,600
time

2304
01:50:27,050 --> 01:50:23,730
and he invited me to go down to CNN here

2305
01:50:29,780 --> 01:50:27,060
in Los Angeles and they beamed that film

2306
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:29,790
back to him in Washington he looked at

2307
01:50:36,140 --> 01:50:32,130
it and he said oh yeah we gotta we gotta

2308
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:36,150
get this on the year so like Larry King

2309
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:40,290
always did he wouldn't ever just look at

2310
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:43,380
a story and and discuss the story he

2311
01:50:51,140 --> 01:50:46,050
always had to have a pro and con so they

2312
01:50:53,810 --> 01:50:51,150
solicited for me names of skeptics that

2313
01:50:56,900 --> 01:50:53,820
they could bring on with this particular

2314
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:56,910
story and of course at the time this was

2315
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:00,960
back in June of 92 I suggested class

2316
01:51:07,610 --> 01:51:03,360
Philip class and for whatever reason

2317
01:51:10,700 --> 01:51:07,620
class didn't want to go on so the next

2318
01:51:14,630 --> 01:51:10,710
guy that I suggested to them was dr.

2319
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:14,640
James Oberg and over who was a contract

2320
01:51:23,330 --> 01:51:19,760
scientist working with NASA accepted now

2321
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:23,340
regardless of how you feel about this

2322
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:27,690
story itself if you watch that episode

2323
01:51:34,220 --> 01:51:31,080
and you certainly can watch that episode

2324
01:51:37,670 --> 01:51:34,230
it's up on YouTube I believe as a matter

2325
01:51:41,570 --> 01:51:37,680
of fact I have a copy of it you will

2326
01:51:44,650 --> 01:51:41,580
notice that during the time that Oberg

2327
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:44,660
and I are commenting on this very often

2328
01:51:51,790 --> 01:51:47,970
Oberg when when I would point something

2329
01:51:57,380 --> 01:51:51,800
out about this footage would not address

2330
01:52:00,230 --> 01:51:57,390
my points but he attacked me which is

2331
01:52:04,100 --> 01:52:00,240
one of the things that you know is a

2332
01:52:06,380 --> 01:52:04,110
skeptical name and that is if you can't

2333
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:06,390
attack the information attack the person

2334
01:52:17,170 --> 01:52:11,210
presenting it and this in in my view is

2335
01:52:20,890 --> 01:52:17,180
a classic case in point of a case an

2336
01:52:23,980 --> 01:52:20,900
episode on Larry King that should have

2337
01:52:26,500 --> 01:52:23,990
made worldwide news because what it's

2338
01:52:31,410 --> 01:52:26,510
showing in that footage which

2339
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:31,420
incidentally was all NASA footage it was

2340
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,150
not from you know Joe Schmo down in

2341
01:52:40,990 --> 01:52:37,520
Peoria Illinois shooting it with his

2342
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:41,000
handy cam this was actual footage from

2343
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:45,440
NASA shows an unknown object that is

2344
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:49,730
flying above the limb of the earth while

2345
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:52,490
they were above New Zealand and

2346
01:53:00,100 --> 01:52:56,560
Australia and something happened which

2347
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:00,110
suggested that some type of weapon was

2348
01:53:07,150 --> 01:53:03,520
fired at this this object then made

2349
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:07,160
violent evasive maneuvers to get out of

2350
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:09,050
the way of whatever it was that was

2351
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:12,770
fired at them and I mean it was one of

2352
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:15,770
the most stunning pieces of footage that

2353
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:18,110
I ever saw a period in all the years

2354
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:19,970
that I was involved in active UFO

2355
01:53:26,650 --> 01:53:23,570
research and the whole thing about it

2356
01:53:29,500 --> 01:53:26,660
being frozen particles now this is

2357
01:53:34,330 --> 01:53:29,510
something that I mentioned again in the

2358
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:34,340
past that never seems to stick but when

2359
01:53:39,940 --> 01:53:36,710
this case first broke that's what NASA

2360
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:39,950
was claiming the audience was viewing

2361
01:53:45,730 --> 01:53:43,250
was frozen ice particles from a

2362
01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:45,740
wastewater dump the fact of the matter

2363
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:49,960
was the water dump had not happened yet

2364
01:53:59,470 --> 01:53:55,610
okay and when the shuttle moved the

2365
01:54:02,290 --> 01:53:59,480
camera also should have moved that was

2366
01:54:05,170 --> 01:54:02,300
one of the items that Jim Oberg was

2367
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,180
pointing out on this broadcast that what

2368
01:54:11,740 --> 01:54:08,080
you were actually seeing was the

2369
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:11,750
thruster jets maneuvering the shuttle

2370
01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:13,850
about that's what that brilliant flash

2371
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:17,630
of light was that precedes what I said

2372
01:54:23,260 --> 01:54:20,120
was a weapons firing had that have been

2373
01:54:24,850 --> 01:54:23,270
true then the entire picture would have

2374
01:54:28,540 --> 01:54:24,860
would have changed

2375
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,550
angle because the camera was bolted to

2376
01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:30,320
the shuttle and the fact of the matter

2377
01:54:37,630 --> 01:54:33,470
is the shuttle what you were viewing

2378
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:37,640
never moved until later so you know this

2379
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:39,530
is a clearly agree with you on that that

2380
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:42,410
that is one of the most startling pieces

2381
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:45,110
of footage that I've ever seen that that

2382
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:50,090
is in my mind irrefutable I have really

2383
01:54:55,090 --> 01:54:52,370
scrutinized that that section of footage

2384
01:54:57,460 --> 01:54:55,100
many times and I think Don you're

2385
01:55:01,660 --> 01:54:57,470
absolutely correct that's that that

2386
01:55:03,700 --> 01:55:01,670
could be smoking gun evidence of of well

2387
01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:03,710
it just opens up a huge can of worms

2388
01:55:08,350 --> 01:55:06,680
about you know what sort of facility do

2389
01:55:10,510 --> 01:55:08,360
we have down there what kind of weaponry

2390
01:55:12,460 --> 01:55:10,520
do we have and and one of the

2391
01:55:14,980 --> 01:55:12,470
capabilities of these craft I mean that

2392
01:55:18,220 --> 01:55:14,990
thing I mean it took off once it did

2393
01:55:18,940 --> 01:55:18,230
it's you know evasive maneuver man it

2394
01:55:22,210 --> 01:55:18,950
was gone

2395
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,220
and it it appeared to leave faster than

2396
01:55:29,710 --> 01:55:25,280
the than the actual weapon was able to

2397
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:29,720
chase it exactly yeah here's one here's

2398
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:31,550
another one that I think is a really

2399
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:33,920
good question this comes from one of our

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I know this is a tough question Don but

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I I get asked it all the time but I'd be

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interested to hear your your response

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over the years of all the different

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investigations you've done which one

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sticks out to you is being truly

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disturbing is this sts-48 footage one of

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them ours are there others well yeah of

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course SDS has always been disturbing

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but when I first entered the field Chris

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Jean I was known primarily for my

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investigation in the mutilation research

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now the fact of the matter was back in

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81 82 I had been lead investigator on a

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01:56:31,500 --> 01:56:26,469
couple of cattle mutilations

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and that of course was was always

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disturbing even before I realized that

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there might be a connection to the UFO

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phenomenon

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okay this was was years before my my

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involvement in UFO research now when I

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began to initially do some armchair

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research when I got my first computer

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system and now we're talking about 1987

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I was friends with a guy who at the time

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was the state director for the mutual

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UFO network in the state of Idaho guy by

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the name of Don Mason and we were were

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becoming pretty good friends and I was

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talking to him one day we were talking

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about the cattle mutilation and I'll

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tell you what let's hear the answer to

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with our year Enders show so much to

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talk about your questions and our

2536
02:02:12,340 --> 02:02:10,400
questions Don was talking about a

2537
02:02:16,180 --> 02:02:12,350
conversation with a fellow researcher on

2538
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:16,190
cattle mutilations please and this guy

2539
02:02:24,430 --> 02:02:19,760
who was the state director for MUFON in

2540
02:02:27,210 --> 02:02:24,440
the state of Idaho told me about a case

2541
02:02:33,490 --> 02:02:27,220
that he had just come across through a

2542
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:33,500
law-enforcement official that had taken

2543
02:02:42,010 --> 02:02:38,560
place in outside of Jerome Idaho now

2544
02:02:44,730 --> 02:02:42,020
before I proceed describing this I got

2545
02:02:49,630 --> 02:02:44,740
to tell you that it's it's an extremely

2546
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:49,640
troubling and often very concealed part

2547
02:03:00,340 --> 02:02:54,370
of the UFO phenomenon and I ended up

2548
02:03:03,420 --> 02:03:00,350
banging my head for three years against

2549
02:03:10,090 --> 02:03:03,430
basically what was among other things

2550
02:03:13,870 --> 02:03:10,100
official government denial I know I put

2551
02:03:16,780 --> 02:03:13,880
myself on a number of radar screens and

2552
02:03:22,290 --> 02:03:16,790
not only law enforcement but also with

2553
02:03:25,870 --> 02:03:22,300
the feds with this oh you too yeah but

2554
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:25,880
basically it involved a human being that

2555
02:03:34,740 --> 02:03:30,890
was mutilated just like a cow now I got

2556
02:03:37,810 --> 02:03:34,750
to tell you it initially I was I was not

2557
02:03:41,740 --> 02:03:37,820
sure I believe this and then I talked to

2558
02:03:46,180 --> 02:03:41,750
this police officer and I had just

2559
02:03:49,180 --> 02:03:46,190
medically retired from my department and

2560
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:49,190
it piqued my curiosity to say the least

2561
02:03:56,050 --> 02:03:52,970
so I decided well this will give me

2562
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:56,060
something to chew on boy that you briefs

2563
02:04:02,210 --> 02:03:58,400
that I demonstrated them was was

2564
02:04:04,970 --> 02:04:02,220
breathtaking and in hindsight but I

2565
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:04,980
about the the chew on metaphor though

2566
02:04:11,330 --> 02:04:08,610
that's a little disturbing dawn we gotta

2567
02:04:15,230 --> 02:04:11,340
watch what you're eating my friend well

2568
02:04:21,140 --> 02:04:15,240
I decided to dive into this and see

2569
02:04:24,020 --> 02:04:21,150
where it led me now initially I began

2570
02:04:27,170 --> 02:04:24,030
calling a number of researchers and

2571
02:04:31,580 --> 02:04:27,180
talked to a number of researchers and it

2572
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:31,590
was amazing in the reaction that I got

2573
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:36,090
and I went to several brother police

2574
02:04:44,260 --> 02:04:40,710
officers and requested that on my behalf

2575
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:44,270
they make inquiries into the NCIC

2576
02:04:51,170 --> 02:04:47,610
computer database back east which is

2577
02:04:55,730 --> 02:04:51,180
held by the FBI and basically what I

2578
02:05:00,500 --> 02:04:55,740
requested was a search going back 20

2579
02:05:04,970 --> 02:05:00,510
years and I specified the criteria of

2580
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:04,980
human victims and that were unsolved

2581
02:05:11,990 --> 02:05:08,970
homicides or suspected homicides that

2582
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:12,000
basically demonstrated that these people

2583
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:14,850
had been mutilated just like a cow and

2584
02:05:20,930 --> 02:05:18,510
which that guy that I had mentioned

2585
02:05:23,930 --> 02:05:20,940
initially outside of drom Idaho when

2586
02:05:26,780 --> 02:05:23,940
they found him he was mutilated like

2587
02:05:31,630 --> 02:05:26,790
that so I knew that there was at least

2588
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:31,640
one case and my friends after I made the

2589
02:05:37,220 --> 02:05:34,770
request and they were incidentally with

2590
02:05:39,410 --> 02:05:37,230
three different law enforcement

2591
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:39,420
departments okay

2592
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:42,080
three totally different law enforcement

2593
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:46,800
departments and everyone was shut down

2594
02:05:49,610 --> 02:05:49,290
of course after the first request went

2595
02:05:52,850 --> 02:05:49,620
in

2596
02:05:55,340 --> 02:05:52,860
I'm sure flags were raised but they were

2597
02:05:56,810 --> 02:05:55,350
shut down almost immediately and a

2598
02:05:59,720 --> 02:05:56,820
couple of them a couple of these guys

2599
02:06:02,660 --> 02:05:59,730
who were incidentally detectives got

2600
02:06:03,980 --> 02:06:02,670
back to me and basically chewed on me so

2601
02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:03,990
what the hell are you trying to get me

2602
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:06,870
involved in here you know I ended up

2603
02:06:12,350 --> 02:06:09,450
getting getting my backside chewed off

2604
02:06:16,169 --> 02:06:12,360
by my supervisor because apparently

2605
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:16,179
somebody called them up and raised King

2606
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:19,840
because of this inquiry I knew then that

2607
02:06:24,479 --> 02:06:22,570
there was undoubtedly at least as far as

2608
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:24,489
I was concerned to cover up with this

2609
02:06:30,689 --> 02:06:27,280
question of human mutilation at least

2610
02:06:33,569 --> 02:06:30,699
indication it may be above and beyond a

2611
02:06:36,209 --> 02:06:33,579
single case yeah my god yeah well you

2612
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:36,219
see I talked to a number of people I

2613
02:06:42,060 --> 02:06:39,130
talked to William Moore okay we all will

2614
02:06:45,719 --> 02:06:42,070
remember William Moore of mj-12 I talked

2615
02:06:48,959 --> 02:06:45,729
to John keel about this and incidentally

2616
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:48,969
he'll put me on to a couple of cases

2617
02:06:56,609 --> 02:06:52,570
that he was aware of now this one was

2618
02:06:59,569 --> 02:06:56,619
spooky but it took place in Mexico very

2619
02:07:04,169 --> 02:06:59,579
close to the Texas border where a

2620
02:07:07,290 --> 02:07:04,179
severed body fell out of the sky onto a

2621
02:07:09,149 --> 02:07:07,300
highway okay and the course there were

2622
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:09,159
there was traffic on the highway and

2623
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:12,249
according to what qu'il told me drivers

2624
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:14,650
stopped jumped out looked up didn't see

2625
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:17,170
anything but here was this body that

2626
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:20,320
fell out of the sky I was aware of some

2627
02:07:27,779 --> 02:07:24,010
bodies that had been mutilated that were

2628
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:27,789
back in New York State surprisingly at

2629
02:07:34,259 --> 02:07:31,030
the morgue the bodies were mutilated at

2630
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:34,269
the morgue you know what do you do with

2631
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:36,880
this information well how about the case

2632
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:39,599
of cases where the bodies actually

2633
02:07:45,029 --> 02:07:42,639
indicated the the victims that died from

2634
02:07:46,949 --> 02:07:45,039
drowning in salt water if I remember

2635
02:07:51,779 --> 02:07:46,959
correctly well there was there was one

2636
02:07:54,810 --> 02:07:51,789
case where a cow had been discovered in

2637
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:54,820
the ocean under the sea and I forget now

2638
02:07:59,879 --> 02:07:56,530
because boy this has been a long time

2639
02:08:03,149 --> 02:07:59,889
ago but apparently this cow had been

2640
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:03,159
mutilated but it was discovered in open

2641
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,610
water

2642
02:08:07,859 --> 02:08:05,920
so and yeah of course it would have been

2643
02:08:10,500 --> 02:08:07,869
saltwater so how in the world did it get

2644
02:08:13,319 --> 02:08:10,510
out there is anybody's guess but when

2645
02:08:17,250 --> 02:08:13,329
I'm asked about question now this is not

2646
02:08:20,279 --> 02:08:17,260
to suggest that these necessarily have a

2647
02:08:24,959 --> 02:08:20,289
firm UFO involvement I'm not suggesting

2648
02:08:27,689 --> 02:08:24,969
mad but I'm glad we had that disclaimer

2649
02:08:28,570 --> 02:08:27,699
because I if you hadn't made it I would

2650
02:08:31,450 --> 02:08:28,580
have brought it up

2651
02:08:33,460 --> 02:08:31,460
oh yeah yeah yeah so you know it's I've

2652
02:08:37,530 --> 02:08:33,470
never I've never maintained that there's

2653
02:08:41,260 --> 02:08:37,540
any UFO involvement to it but whatever

2654
02:08:44,260 --> 02:08:41,270
involvement there is with it it it has

2655
02:08:47,050 --> 02:08:44,270
always troubled me greatly and I got to

2656
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:47,060
tell you initially the first couple of

2657
02:08:53,260 --> 02:08:49,130
years that I was involved in this

2658
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:53,270
research I had moments where I got

2659
02:09:00,490 --> 02:08:56,890
pretty paranoid about this now I one day

2660
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:00,500
unsolicited I had a telephone call from

2661
02:09:07,570 --> 02:09:05,360
a guy who was a DEA investigator that

2662
02:09:10,710 --> 02:09:07,580
was at the time in Florida

2663
02:09:14,350 --> 02:09:10,720
okay he was Drug Enforcement Agency now

2664
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apparently somewhere along the line this

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of smoke he said you know he said when I

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people of the public on or what and he

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determine then the lid is nailed deeply

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down on this and he said whatever is

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behind this doesn't want this

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listening to the podcast the gold

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now maybe it's Chris is cold but he's

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sounding more and more our trickster ish

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I don't know Don according us in

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conversation you want to continue done

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yeah so basically to answer that the

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para cast users question the whole

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question about mutilation primarily

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human mutilation has always been the one

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02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:23,150
case that has troubled me the most yeah

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you and me both having been in the

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trenches in this particular kind of

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corner of the investigative realm a very

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dark corner I might add again to echo

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what you mentioned before dawn this is a

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very difficult yeah I mean you're an X

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law enforcement official and for you to

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02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:46,430
be stonewalled and to be warned off and

2814
02:15:53,140 --> 02:15:49,520
stuff I mean that to me speaks volumes I

2815
02:15:56,230 --> 02:15:53,150
mean I've had a couple of hints of

2816
02:16:00,610 --> 02:15:56,240
possible human mutilation cases over the

2817
02:16:03,160 --> 02:16:00,620
the years and stonewalling that doesn't

2818
02:16:05,200 --> 02:16:03,170
even begin to describe what I had to go

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02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:05,210
through and and I'll tell you on a

2820
02:16:11,110 --> 02:16:07,850
couple of these cases I really really

2821
02:16:13,450 --> 02:16:11,120
dug I I called in favors I I did

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everything I could to get to the bottom

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02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:16,730
of some rumors that I had heard although

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02:16:22,210 --> 02:16:19,370
off the record people would say yeah

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something happened but I can't talk

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about it you're on the right track you

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know maybe if you ask somebody else that

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you haven't mentioned to me I mean they

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wouldn't even tell me where to go to dig

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deeper they just say that I had been

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digging deep enough but hadn't quite

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asked the right person the right

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question I mean when you start getting

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that kind of runaround from law

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enforcement officials and and and and

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and people that really come across

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genuinely frightened well you know there

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was one there was one incident during

2839
02:17:00,459 --> 02:16:56,590
this investigation that I was conducting

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that I would be remiss if I did not if I

2841
02:17:08,290 --> 02:17:04,010
did not mention it I've always had

2842
02:17:10,660 --> 02:17:08,300
the highest respect for UFO investigator

2843
02:17:13,870 --> 02:17:10,670
and former police lieutenant Larry

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Fawcett now Larry Fawcett along with

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02:17:22,889 --> 02:17:19,040
Barry Greenwood basically wrote the

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definitive book on military involvement

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02:17:31,330 --> 02:17:27,229
with UFOs and and especially missile

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02:17:35,530 --> 02:17:31,340
silo incursions okay and this book has

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been has been republished I lost contact

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02:17:41,559 --> 02:17:38,540
with Larry a number of years ago

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although I had interviewed Larry in the

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past on my my old radio show now where

2853
02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:49,729
he is today I'm not sure but Larry and I

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were discussing this human mutilation

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02:17:58,450 --> 02:17:55,460
thing at one of the UFO conferences

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where we were both at back in the 90s

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and I asked him I said Larry I said look

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you're bright you're still a law

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enforcement official because he had not

2860
02:18:11,980 --> 02:18:10,519
yet retired then and I said do you think

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02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:11,990
I'm all wet with this or do you think

2862
02:18:16,599 --> 02:18:14,090
there's anything to it and he said well

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done he said look he said I'm gonna tell

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02:18:20,019 --> 02:18:17,450
you something

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02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:20,029
he said that happened to me he said take

2866
02:18:28,209 --> 02:18:24,410
it for what it's worth but during my

2867
02:18:32,500 --> 02:18:28,219
investigation into these UFO missile

2868
02:18:34,570 --> 02:18:32,510
silo incursions up in Montana he said I

2869
02:18:37,839 --> 02:18:34,580
was up there at a law enforcement

2870
02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:37,849
briefing with this sheriff and he named

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02:18:43,330 --> 02:18:40,490
the sheriff and I forget now what the

2872
02:18:46,059 --> 02:18:43,340
guy's name was Heath Wolverton thank you

2873
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:46,069
thank you thank you yes that's exactly

2874
02:18:52,059 --> 02:18:50,479
what was he said the sheriff told me he

2875
02:18:56,019 --> 02:18:52,069
said we were in his office and he had

2876
02:18:59,290 --> 02:18:56,029
this map up on his wall and he said

2877
02:19:02,110 --> 02:18:59,300
there were all these pins stuck in this

2878
02:19:05,259 --> 02:19:02,120
map different colors and he said I was

2879
02:19:07,089 --> 02:19:05,269
looking at it and he said the sheriff of

2880
02:19:09,370 --> 02:19:07,099
Wolverton told me well this color

2881
02:19:13,599 --> 02:19:09,380
represents where there was a mutilated

2882
02:19:15,099 --> 02:19:13,609
cow found in this colored pen designates

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02:19:17,419 --> 02:19:15,109
something else that might have been like

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02:19:20,299 --> 02:19:17,429
people reported a UFO

2885
02:19:23,299 --> 02:19:20,309
landing these pins show where they

2886
02:19:25,790 --> 02:19:23,309
overflew you know the military bases and

2887
02:19:30,530 --> 02:19:25,800
Larry said as I was looking at this map

2888
02:19:35,389 --> 02:19:30,540
he said Don he said I saw one pin only

2889
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:35,399
one that was I think he said pink and he

2890
02:19:39,709 --> 02:19:37,889
said I I pointed that out to Keith and I

2891
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:39,719
said what's that

2892
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:42,090
and he said the sheriff looked at him

2893
02:19:46,370 --> 02:19:44,130
looked at the pin and he said well he

2894
02:19:48,110 --> 02:19:46,380
said Larry that's where we found a human

2895
02:19:51,469 --> 02:19:48,120
being that was mutilated but we don't

2896
02:19:53,660 --> 02:19:51,479
talk about that and either did nits when

2897
02:19:57,019 --> 02:19:53,670
they did an examination of cattle

2898
02:20:00,110 --> 02:19:57,029
mutilations in Montana in the mid 70s

2899
02:20:03,519 --> 02:20:00,120
that case was not brought up exactly so

2900
02:20:07,400 --> 02:20:03,529
my friends was I on the right track

2901
02:20:11,059 --> 02:20:07,410
wellmaybe was I glad to get the hell out

2902
02:20:15,260 --> 02:20:11,069
of that research definitely because it

2903
02:20:17,179 --> 02:20:15,270
ended up being totally futile and got me

2904
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:17,189
nowhere and it just frustrated me for

2905
02:20:22,670 --> 02:20:20,489
over three years and if you believe some

2906
02:20:25,189 --> 02:20:22,680
of the the people that I've talked to

2907
02:20:27,679 --> 02:20:25,199
since then maybe it was a good thing I

2908
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:27,689
got out of that because there was always

2909
02:20:32,809 --> 02:20:30,210
the hint that under the right

2910
02:20:35,150 --> 02:20:32,819
circumstances you could put yourself in

2911
02:20:37,070 --> 02:20:35,160
physical jeopardy now of course if you

2912
02:20:40,370 --> 02:20:37,080
watch a TV show like Criminal Minds you

2913
02:20:43,729 --> 02:20:40,380
think that some kind of perfectly human

2914
02:20:47,660 --> 02:20:43,739
actor is involved in doing this sort of

2915
02:20:50,540 --> 02:20:47,670
thing and in manipulating and mutilating

2916
02:20:52,460 --> 02:20:50,550
humans necessarily gene we have to look

2917
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,470
at the forensic evidence to determine

2918
02:20:59,630 --> 02:20:55,439
whether a human perpetrator could be

2919
02:21:02,800 --> 02:20:59,640
responsible and sure that's these cattle

2920
02:21:05,450 --> 02:21:02,810
cases at least in my humble amateur

2921
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:05,460
estimation could not have been

2922
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:08,640
perpetrated even with the aid of of

2923
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:12,210
exotic human high technology are just

2924
02:21:18,769 --> 02:21:15,359
physically impossible so I think Don you

2925
02:21:21,979 --> 02:21:18,779
raised a very good point this is a very

2926
02:21:24,590 --> 02:21:21,989
serious subject that and in light of the

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02:21:26,510 --> 02:21:24,600
question a very disturbing subject that

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02:21:28,639 --> 02:21:26,520
there's not many people willing to dive

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02:21:34,250 --> 02:21:28,649
into this particular

2930
02:21:39,059 --> 02:21:34,260
very kind of black colored pool of uh-oh

2931
02:21:41,849 --> 02:21:39,069
to call it this is Jean Don somebody

2932
02:21:43,860 --> 02:21:41,859
well yeah but this is the CSI culture we

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02:21:46,889 --> 02:21:43,870
have TV shows where people look at this

2934
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:46,899
stuff and they take it in stride this is

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02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,370
something that we were very very

2936
02:21:57,769 --> 02:21:53,439
interested in back in the day when Vicki

2937
02:22:01,469 --> 02:21:57,779
and I were still doing UFO magazine now

2938
02:22:03,900 --> 02:22:01,479
the pounds of physical evidence here in

2939
02:22:06,170 --> 02:22:03,910
in you know in the case of cattle yeah

2940
02:22:10,110 --> 02:22:06,180
so you know we're talking about you know

2941
02:22:12,570 --> 02:22:10,120
real potential scientific bombshells

2942
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:12,580
that could be produced by analyzing and

2943
02:22:17,519 --> 02:22:14,800
publicizing the results of the

2944
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:17,529
analytical process for these cases well

2945
02:22:24,690 --> 02:22:20,880
we we often connected with military R&D

2946
02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:24,700
people and for example one of the things

2947
02:22:30,590 --> 02:22:27,250
about cattle mutilations primarily and

2948
02:22:35,519 --> 02:22:30,600
at the time this was being touted the

2949
02:22:37,889 --> 02:22:35,529
cookie cutter effect in areas that had

2950
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:37,899
been like the rectum of a cow that had

2951
02:22:43,650 --> 02:22:40,810
been cored out you'll remember Linda

2952
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:43,660
Howe talking about that and other people

2953
02:22:49,230 --> 02:22:46,510
the surgical precision that eyeballs

2954
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:49,240
were removed from the skull and those

2955
02:22:54,750 --> 02:22:51,490
type of things the sexual organs removed

2956
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:54,760
that's all you know the cookie cutter

2957
02:23:01,530 --> 02:22:57,850
incision I mean very rare the

2958
02:23:04,170 --> 02:23:01,540
exaggeration of fluids and blood from

2959
02:23:07,500 --> 02:23:04,180
carcasses what I'm saying Chris we were

2960
02:23:09,719 --> 02:23:07,510
trying to find out if it was feasible or

2961
02:23:12,269 --> 02:23:09,729
possible that a human agency was

2962
02:23:15,660 --> 02:23:12,279
conducting some of these we discovered

2963
02:23:18,410 --> 02:23:15,670
we reported on it in UFO magazine the

2964
02:23:21,139 --> 02:23:18,420
fact that at that time there was a new

2965
02:23:24,780 --> 02:23:21,149
medical device that had just been

2966
02:23:27,090 --> 02:23:24,790
released and was being tested by medics

2967
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:27,100
in the field which was a handheld

2968
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:32,800
portable laser that battlefield medics

2969
02:23:36,929 --> 02:23:36,310
could use to cauterize wounds and what

2970
02:23:39,779 --> 02:23:36,939
have you

2971
02:23:42,689 --> 02:23:39,789
right but not cut through you know it's

2972
02:23:46,019 --> 02:23:42,699
not by accident that we use cowhide to

2973
02:23:48,779 --> 02:23:46,029
you know put on soles of shoes for

2974
02:23:51,540 --> 02:23:48,789
instance for you know millennia for

2975
02:23:54,210 --> 02:23:51,550
generations a handheld laser lazing

2976
02:23:56,460 --> 02:23:54,220
device cannot you can't duplicate the

2977
02:23:57,840 --> 02:23:56,470
precision of cookie cutter incisions

2978
02:24:00,059 --> 02:23:57,850
through cowhide

2979
02:24:02,580 --> 02:24:00,069
well the handheld device is just no way

2980
02:24:05,609 --> 02:24:02,590
we're doing forensic analysis here of

2981
02:24:08,370 --> 02:24:05,619
cow mutilations and this information is

2982
02:24:10,290 --> 02:24:08,380
you know frightening to some and it's

2983
02:24:12,420 --> 02:24:10,300
starting to sound like the CSI TV shows

2984
02:24:14,309 --> 02:24:12,430
but it's information we have to continue

2985
02:24:15,899 --> 02:24:14,319
to present we have Don Ecker for one

2986
02:24:20,130 --> 02:24:15,909
more segment with gene and Chris you're

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in mmm the Buried cast

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast okay so

3092
02:28:54,639 --> 02:28:52,189
when it comes to cattle mutilations

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02:28:56,770 --> 02:28:54,649
we're going to get imitations of cows

3094
02:28:58,810 --> 02:28:56,780
mooing from Chris O'Brien our favorite

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02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:58,820
trickster we have Don Ecker exploring

3096
02:29:04,360 --> 02:29:01,359
the ramifications of these episodes

3097
02:29:06,849 --> 02:29:04,370
continued on yeah well my point in the

3098
02:29:09,940 --> 02:29:06,859
last segment what what I was trying to

3099
02:29:13,060 --> 02:29:09,950
get out there is the fact that we at UFO

3100
02:29:16,690 --> 02:29:13,070
magazine then we're trying to look at

3101
02:29:20,679 --> 02:29:16,700
all aspects to find out if we could come

3102
02:29:22,990 --> 02:29:20,689
to a common consensus of what might be

3103
02:29:24,969 --> 02:29:23,000
responsible for at least some of these

3104
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:24,979
cases done you know there's no

3105
02:29:29,710 --> 02:29:27,530
one-size-fits-all answer it's multiple

3106
02:29:32,320 --> 02:29:29,720
groups with multiple agendas at least in

3107
02:29:34,750 --> 02:29:32,330
my humble estimation this is a much more

3108
02:29:36,940 --> 02:29:34,760
complicated scenario than someone like

3109
02:29:39,849 --> 02:29:36,950
Linda moldy cow I mean Linda Moulton

3110
02:29:41,740 --> 02:29:39,859
Howe would say or someone is totally out

3111
02:29:43,900 --> 02:29:41,750
there like David Perkins thinking that

3112
02:29:46,330 --> 02:29:43,910
this may be cultural stigmata that were

3113
02:29:48,940 --> 02:29:46,340
collectively in the unconscious way

3114
02:29:51,820 --> 02:29:48,950
manifesting cattle mutilations to warn

3115
02:29:53,889 --> 02:29:51,830
ourselves off cattle who are detrimental

3116
02:29:57,310 --> 02:29:53,899
to the environment I mean there's so

3117
02:29:59,530 --> 02:29:57,320
many nuances and permutations of

3118
02:30:01,510 --> 02:29:59,540
thinking here but the bottom line is we

3119
02:30:03,610 --> 02:30:01,520
have thousands of pounds of physical

3120
02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:03,620
evidence and anybody that doesn't

3121
02:30:10,179 --> 02:30:06,530
understand the the gravity of that and

3122
02:30:12,849 --> 02:30:10,189
how how we could really with the powers

3123
02:30:13,719 --> 02:30:12,859
of diagnostic science really take the

3124
02:30:15,340 --> 02:30:13,729
ball and run with it

3125
02:30:17,380 --> 02:30:15,350
if we were allowed and we had the

3126
02:30:19,540 --> 02:30:17,390
budgets and you know what's going on

3127
02:30:22,480 --> 02:30:19,550
with knids they had one of the most

3128
02:30:24,730 --> 02:30:22,490
incredible cases on record up on that

3129
02:30:27,250 --> 02:30:24,740
german ranch they had a calf that was

3130
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:27,260
mutilated with the the rancher and his

3131
02:30:31,929 --> 02:30:30,050
wife in the same field hundreds of yards

3132
02:30:34,540 --> 02:30:31,939
away from the calf within line of sight

3133
02:30:37,690 --> 02:30:34,550
and they turned around came back within

3134
02:30:38,440 --> 02:30:37,700
I think 12 minutes maybe that calf had

3135
02:30:41,620 --> 02:30:38,450
been mutilated

3136
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:41,630
there was a veterinary pathologist and a

3137
02:30:47,560 --> 02:30:45,050
team of scientists on site that same

3138
02:30:50,740 --> 02:30:47,570
afternoon I mean we need to see the

3139
02:30:53,020 --> 02:30:50,750
results of the data you know an analysis

3140
02:30:55,870 --> 02:30:53,030
and data gathering process that

3141
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:55,880
we know has gone on or you get

3142
02:30:59,890 --> 02:30:57,920
absolutely no argument from me but the

3143
02:31:03,130 --> 02:30:59,900
fact of the matter is you never will see

3144
02:31:05,770 --> 02:31:03,140
it because Bigelow and the nits team

3145
02:31:10,090 --> 02:31:05,780
will not release that now the big

3146
02:31:14,140 --> 02:31:10,100
question is why not what is it about

3147
02:31:17,500 --> 02:31:14,150
this research that causes them to

3148
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:17,510
withhold this information which is still

3149
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:19,850
as viable today because hey the

3150
02:31:26,350 --> 02:31:22,880
mutilation thing is still ongoing it's

3151
02:31:29,380 --> 02:31:26,360
still happening now if this were in my

3152
02:31:31,780 --> 02:31:29,390
opinion strictly a human agency carrying

3153
02:31:35,770 --> 02:31:31,790
this out and it's been happening and it

3154
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:35,780
has been reported on since at least the

3155
02:31:40,570 --> 02:31:38,690
60s there's no doubt in my mind that at

3156
02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:40,580
some point somebody would have been

3157
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:43,730
found in the act of perfect trading this

3158
02:31:50,370 --> 02:31:46,640
crime and nobody has been there has

3159
02:31:53,620 --> 02:31:50,380
never been anyone arrested successfully

3160
02:31:55,270 --> 02:31:53,630
prosecuted or anything else law

3161
02:31:57,190 --> 02:31:55,280
enforcement sources that have gone on

3162
02:32:00,280 --> 02:31:57,200
the record saying that they have enough

3163
02:32:01,420 --> 02:32:00,290
evidence to name names so I mean we

3164
02:32:03,490 --> 02:32:01,430
haven't gotten to the point of a

3165
02:32:07,210 --> 02:32:03,500
conviction but well then why haven't

3166
02:32:09,610 --> 02:32:07,220
they well because money is power power

3167
02:32:13,780 --> 02:32:09,620
has influence influence makes makes

3168
02:32:17,530 --> 02:32:13,790
things happen well okay but the fact

3169
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:17,540
still remains no one has been arrested

3170
02:32:22,930 --> 02:32:21,050
or prosecuted successfully for this

3171
02:32:26,140 --> 02:32:22,940
crime it's still happening

3172
02:32:28,450 --> 02:32:26,150
yep I made a bet with Gary Massey who

3173
02:32:32,320 --> 02:32:28,460
was a longtime mutilation investigator

3174
02:32:34,390 --> 02:32:32,330
back in 1993 I think or 94 that by the

3175
02:32:37,720 --> 02:32:34,400
end of the decade we would have somebody

3176
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:37,730
at least charged with a cattle

3177
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:40,250
mutilation by the end of the decade and

3178
02:32:44,500 --> 02:32:43,210
I think it was just before New Year's

3179
02:32:47,470 --> 02:32:44,510
1999

3180
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:47,480
I bought a Lone Star a case of Lone Star

3181
02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:51,200
beer and paid off my losing bet I think

3182
02:32:56,950 --> 02:32:52,880
if he made that bet with anything in the

3183
02:32:58,090 --> 02:32:56,960
paranormal field even UFOs if you think

3184
02:32:59,860 --> 02:32:58,100
something's gonna be solved or

3185
02:33:02,650 --> 02:32:59,870
understood you'll lose that bet

3186
02:33:06,460 --> 02:33:02,660
no not solved or understood just just a

3187
02:33:09,099 --> 02:33:06,470
single person being charged sure you

3188
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:09,109
have a resolution never it has not

3189
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:12,050
happened so we're still left with an

3190
02:33:19,599 --> 02:33:15,350
ongoing mystery it's a mystery that is

3191
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:19,609
not often talked about these days and

3192
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:21,710
actually if you get if you get down to

3193
02:33:28,570 --> 02:33:24,170
the bottom of it what is being talked

3194
02:33:31,690 --> 02:33:28,580
about these days you know this Mayan

3195
02:33:37,389 --> 02:33:31,700
apocalypse which was supposed to have

3196
02:33:40,630 --> 02:33:37,399
happened a little over a week or so ago

3197
02:33:42,670 --> 02:33:40,640
it's it's you know another big fizzle

3198
02:33:45,460 --> 02:33:42,680
much now we always hear that though this

3199
02:33:46,750 --> 02:33:45,470
is part and parcel of how things work we

3200
02:33:49,570 --> 02:33:46,760
hear about these end of the world

3201
02:33:51,820 --> 02:33:49,580
scenarios and may never work or maybe we

3202
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:51,830
just went into another universe or

3203
02:33:58,690 --> 02:33:53,930
another level of existence that's the

3204
02:34:01,150 --> 02:33:58,700
excuse yeah well it's basically you know

3205
02:34:05,410 --> 02:34:01,160
more crapola from some unfortunately

3206
02:34:09,130 --> 02:34:05,420
from some very sloppy thinkers so you're

3207
02:34:12,400 --> 02:34:09,140
dealing with what people want to believe

3208
02:34:15,849 --> 02:34:12,410
in many cases as opposed to what is and

3209
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:15,859
that's always a danger in this field we

3210
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:17,330
have about four minutes left is there

3211
02:34:21,969 --> 02:34:18,890
time for a quick question or should we

3212
02:34:25,630 --> 02:34:21,979
move on go go go for whatever you want

3213
02:34:28,090 --> 02:34:25,640
to do Chris well Ward again one of our

3214
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:28,100
longest posters that form dr. Peric

3215
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:31,010
ascom he said I've been listening to you

3216
02:34:36,070 --> 02:34:33,680
for years dawn and to me your most

3217
02:34:39,880 --> 02:34:36,080
groundbreaking interview is the vetos

3218
02:34:42,519 --> 02:34:39,890
Sakaki Satori Sakaki interview on UFOs

3219
02:34:44,889 --> 02:34:42,529
tonight in the 1990s could you describe

3220
02:34:46,900 --> 02:34:44,899
the impact this interview had upon you

3221
02:34:50,139 --> 02:34:46,910
and you only have three minutes left to

3222
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:50,149
do it sorry well okay beetle Sakaki was

3223
02:34:55,300 --> 02:34:52,250
a petrochemical engineer that I

3224
02:34:59,469 --> 02:34:55,310
interviewed November of 1995 and it was

3225
02:35:03,370 --> 02:34:59,479
in regards to actually my research in

3226
02:35:06,820 --> 02:35:03,380
lunar phenomena and Sakaki had one of

3227
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:06,830
the most amazing stories and and quite a

3228
02:35:14,410 --> 02:35:10,930
bit of it was was later verified but the

3229
02:35:17,180 --> 02:35:14,420
absolutely unbelievable Odyssey that

3230
02:35:20,930 --> 02:35:17,190
NASA put him and another guy

3231
02:35:24,770 --> 02:35:20,940
back in the late 1970s when they went

3232
02:35:27,500 --> 02:35:24,780
down to Houston to basically see some of

3233
02:35:31,850 --> 02:35:27,510
our publicly available lunar photographs

3234
02:35:35,570 --> 02:35:31,860
and the three weeks of absolute hell

3235
02:35:38,750 --> 02:35:35,580
that they went through including being

3236
02:35:42,830 --> 02:35:38,760
threatened under national security laws

3237
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:42,840
I mean it was unbelievable but the

3238
02:35:49,250 --> 02:35:46,010
bottom line was that they somehow

3239
02:35:51,700 --> 02:35:49,260
persevered and the fact was when they

3240
02:35:55,131 --> 02:35:51,710
finally got in to see some of these

3241
02:35:56,750 --> 02:35:55,141
lunar photographs and they found out

3242
02:35:58,910 --> 02:35:56,760
about them originally from George

3243
02:36:01,520 --> 02:35:58,920
Leonard's book somebody else is on the

3244
02:36:02,631 --> 02:36:01,530
moon that was written back in the mid

3245
02:36:05,180 --> 02:36:02,641
70s

3246
02:36:09,740 --> 02:36:05,190
Leonard was a scientist was a science

3247
02:36:12,261 --> 02:36:09,750
writer had some friends in NASA that put

3248
02:36:15,290 --> 02:36:12,271
him onto these photographs just as the

3249
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:15,300
Apollo project was shutting down which

3250
02:36:22,310 --> 02:36:18,720
showed or seemed to show that at some

3251
02:36:25,850 --> 02:36:22,320
point in the past and perhaps even today

3252
02:36:28,490 --> 02:36:25,860
there was an ongoing lunar presence on

3253
02:36:32,060 --> 02:36:28,500
the moon primarily the far side of the

3254
02:36:36,230 --> 02:36:32,070
Moon but evidence of it going around

3255
02:36:37,910 --> 02:36:36,240
that that body in space that somebody

3256
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:37,920
has been up there for a long time now

3257
02:36:45,530 --> 02:36:41,130
what does this basically mean it means

3258
02:36:48,860 --> 02:36:45,540
that if any of these UFO sightings over

3259
02:36:50,660 --> 02:36:48,870
the years are real if people have been

3260
02:36:53,360 --> 02:36:50,670
seeing these things literally for

3261
02:36:56,660 --> 02:36:53,370
thousands of years does it make sense

3262
02:36:59,360 --> 02:36:56,670
that these so-called visitors would be

3263
02:37:01,400 --> 02:36:59,370
coming here from their point of origin

3264
02:37:04,820 --> 02:37:01,410
every time they showed up or would it

3265
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:04,830
make more sense that they had bases

3266
02:37:10,100 --> 02:37:07,110
throughout our solar system including

3267
02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:10,110
the moon which basically has all the

3268
02:37:15,801 --> 02:37:13,650
criteria to have an ongoing presence

3269
02:37:18,620 --> 02:37:15,811
there if you have the technology to

3270
02:37:21,170 --> 02:37:18,630
extract that everything from water yes

3271
02:37:23,690 --> 02:37:21,180
there is frozen water on the moon to

3272
02:37:27,770 --> 02:37:23,700
other things that they would need to

3273
02:37:29,930 --> 02:37:27,780
keep a facility or a colony ongoing

3274
02:37:30,801 --> 02:37:29,940
would it make sense that they might be

3275
02:37:33,220 --> 02:37:30,811
coming from a

3276
02:37:36,591 --> 02:37:33,230
much closer point of origin then

3277
02:37:40,011 --> 02:37:36,601
somewhere out in deep space and the fact

3278
02:37:43,341 --> 02:37:40,021
of the matter is this is an aspect that

3279
02:37:45,320 --> 02:37:43,351
NASA has basically gone out of their way

3280
02:37:48,081 --> 02:37:45,330
to keep covered up for many many many

3281
02:37:49,820 --> 02:37:48,091
years yeah Don Ecker tell our listeners

3282
02:37:52,940 --> 02:37:49,830
where they can find more of your work

3283
02:37:56,211 --> 02:37:52,950
well a lot of it is up on the net gene

3284
02:38:02,711 --> 02:37:56,221
and of course dark matters radio to hear

3285
02:38:07,610 --> 02:38:02,721
the broadcast live you can go to WWE my

3286
02:38:09,770 --> 02:38:07,620
comm that's a live feed DMR runs Monday

3287
02:38:13,730 --> 02:38:09,780
through Friday nights beginning at 10:00

3288
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:13,740
p.m. Pacific time until midnight all the

3289
02:38:19,701 --> 02:38:16,230
archives are up there and there's quite

3290
02:38:21,881 --> 02:38:19,711
an extensive number of shows that are

3291
02:38:24,831 --> 02:38:21,891
incidentally are all freely available

3292
02:38:28,551 --> 02:38:24,841
basically I'm no longer involved with

3293
02:38:30,770 --> 02:38:28,561
UFO magazine and the only other place is

3294
02:38:33,741 --> 02:38:30,780
to see a lot of my work is on the dark

3295
02:38:37,430 --> 02:38:33,751
matters radio forum which is on the para

3296
02:38:39,801 --> 02:38:37,440
cast and special New Year's wish from us

3297
02:38:42,501 --> 02:38:39,811
at the para cast check us out all our

3298
02:38:45,020 --> 02:38:42,511
material at the para cast comm from

3299
02:38:46,940 --> 02:38:45,030
Chris and me it's a Don Ecker thanks for

3300
02:38:49,551 --> 02:38:46,950
joining us this week on the para cast

3301
02:38:51,900 --> 02:38:49,561
hey thanks will being on done hey my

3302
02:38:54,910 --> 02:38:51,910
pleasure guys

3303
02:38:58,429 --> 02:38:54,920
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3304
02:39:01,340 --> 02:38:58,439
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3305
02:39:04,330 --> 02:39:01,350
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3306
02:39:08,059 --> 02:39:04,340
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